WWJ X: Hithlum Zydeco Blues; Hísilómë in Hísimë

[Mithalwen]

I don't particularly suspect Roa partly because she has been making good sense in her posts but she is plausible.


Nogrod, fair enough, that makes sense. I am prepared hang fire on you but I doubt it will be enough now.

What is the voting now?

[Mithalwen]

I make it Noggin 2 Kitanna & Eomer and Valier 1 (Morm)

Lets add another to the mix seeming wolfish due to "analysis" smoke screen:

++ JennyHallu

[Nogrod]

Alright.

Eomer I still suspect somewhat. His vote for me may be triggered because he has found no one else to suspect (and a couple of persons have ranted on my guilt quite enough to ensure I'm in when those who can't or don't bother to think themselves make their decisions) or because I suspected him - or because he's a wolf.

His vote on Morm is a clessic wolf vote, trying to see whether a loosely based vote on a good player takes off and produces a good lynch to the wolves. I've said enough of Eomer today, I suppose.

Kuruharan's grounds for voting Eomer were

Mainly because he's not been around...much, and I can't think of anything better to do.

Then he added that he doesn't join either of the bandwaggons. It could be an ordo just not knowing what to do, or then a wolf skilfully seeing the dangers involved in joining at that minute... Hard to say.

Jenny is interesting. Her motive for voting Kuru is that he has been around to make a presence, but that non of it had been meaningful. Now this is first of all empirically false and secondly, there were lots of people of whom the same could have been said.

To top that, I've a feeling she has been a bit touchy (yeah, I'm the best to say that, I know, but there has been some rain over me toDay).

Of these three I would suspect Eomer and Jenny. There could be arguments laid over both of them.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Nogrod, though I will likely keep arguing for your death, please know that, if you are innocent, you will more than likely be very useful after you are gone. While I am very reluctant to take your theories at face-value just now, I will obviously give them the greatest of respect if I know their creator was of a good heart.

Small consolation, perhaps!

And I am gone for tonight. No hanging around silently at the end, I promise!

[Macalaure]

I want to get a vote off, now. I will be around until the deadline.

So, Roa or Kitanna, Kitanna or Roa...

++ Roa_Aoife

[Nogrod]

Well, here's to begin the counting...

Valier 1 (Morm I)
Nogrod 2 (Kitanna II, Eomer III)
Jenny 1 (Mith IV)
Roa 1 (Maca V)

[Kuruharan]

Bongiorno amici! You’ll have to excuse me as my beloved homeland’s magnificent and well-deserved victory has me virtually incoherent with joy!!

Signorina Kitanna has been laying low. However, this is normal for her. She’s not the most talkative around. She was the first to vote Nogrod yesterDAY.

Signore Eomer is an individual that I’ve wobbled back and forth on like a drunken football reveler headed for the latrine. At first I thought he was acting guilty. When it came to crunch time yesterDAY, I didn’t think he seemed so bad. Now I’m now wobbling back toward “I think he’s a bit furry” if for no other reason than Nogrod suspected him so strongly and it is good for Eomer that he is gone. Either way, I would dearly love to have some certain information regarding him.

Signorina Mithalwen has also been acting a bit odd throughout…(voted for Signora JennyHallu yesterDAY…now there’s a thought!)

Signora Roa_Aoife was a bit aggressive in her attacks yesterDAY. However, I think this actually speaks in her favor as reckless aggression is about the worst thing a wolf can indulge in.

Signore Mormegil was also rather repetitive in his suspicions of Signorina Valier. Perhaps this is another line on inquiry we should pursue.

Oddly enough, I’m now a little less suspicious of Signore Macalaure as his pouting at the end of the DAY (post # 143) seem sort of innocent (although it could very well be a ploy).

[Kuruharan]

Kuru, where were you yesterDay between 2:34 and 2:59?

Obviously, I was re-reading the thread. It had the reaction of causing me to doubt the utility of voting for either Signore Eomer or Signore Nogrod. I thought it was a choice that didn't amount to much as it seemed equally possible that both might be wolves or innocent. Unfortunately, we could only find out about one at a time.

[Valier]

Well after reading through what has happened, I believe out of our days candadates that Eomer is the more guilty party. I am unsure of both Jenny and Roa, but I do not have an overly high suspicion of them yet. Morm's vote for me is well... not unexpected. Morm tends to always think me bad, and we tend to butt heads some what. Nogrod seems to me like his usual self and I see no reason to kill him today. I hope we catch us a wolf today and not another poor innocent.

++Eomer

[Kuruharan]

You like Eomer seem to fall into the same trap, concentrating on one fiend at the time - discussing just one or two persons... We have three wolves and three has to be found before the village is secured.

Ah…a point. However, we can only deal with one at a time. Trying to do too much at one time only adds chaos and confusion.

Nogrod, though I will likely keep arguing for your death, please know that, if you are innocent, you will more than likely be very useful after you are gone. While I am very reluctant to take your theories at face-value just now, I will obviously give them the greatest of respect if I know their creator was of a good heart.

Signore Eomer may very well have a compelling point...

[Nogrod]

Well, let's make this better today than yesterday.

As I have said, I could go for Kitanna, Roa, Eomer or Jenny.

One is never sure (and of those at least one is innocent), but these I think worth trying.

X-posted with Jenny

[Nogrod]

Okay. Thanks for the game.

Yes. I've been your helpful ordo trying to bring on some discussion and trying to find any clues for us to use. And as I saw at some point that I was getting heavily pressured I thought of making all out of it - to have a good sport myself and to leave you something to hunt the wolves toMorrow and the following Days.

Well, at least you can't say I didn't try to stir things up...

At lest you'll have something to read and think.

Best wishes & good luck.

[Macalaure]

It could have saved Nog if casted a minute earlier.

[Roa_Aoife]

A little jumpy Nogrod? Did I hit a nerve?

She calls my speculation on Eomer a "strong agressive attack"? C'mon Roa! You know very well yourself, what I can do... and what is a strong aggressive attack in the first place - I've seen you build them too. Then as you have yourself labelled my thoughts of Eomer as a strong attack, you accuse me of being inconsistent or suspicious because I have said I'm toning down. Nice Roa. Very nice. Oh how suspicious!

Who's midunderstanding now? You have made a statement in several games in the past that you were trying to tone down your agressiveness. Now it's suddenly back up. It's a behavior change that I find startling and rather alarming.

And your agressiveness is certainly up now that you're under attack.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

First of all, an intentional misunderstanding. I didn't say Eomer should have "rescued" either Form or Glirdy. That was the whole point! We would have needed more people on the place to make a difference. I couldn't save them both and he couldn't have saved them both. So also asking why I didn't save Form is just continuing on the wrong tracks. So wishing to make me look like a culprit to the tragedy of yesterday (being herself one of those who voted for Form/Glirdy). Nice move Roa.

A misunderstanding indeed, but not intentional, and for that I apologize. But for not saving Form? You were there at the end when he made his statement, but it was Mith who made the last second save, not you. You conveniently dissapeared at that point, and this is point I am making.

I've already made an answer for my vote, and I wasn't there at the end to help or change my vote. You were, and you can't turn that back around on me.

Well You know, there are people who speak or tell things (truthfully) and then there are people who just "claim" something. So I'm also the one who just claims being somewhere or done something. Very untrusty guy this Nogrod fellow, isn't he? Unfortunately you can check the last ten minutes of the last night. I was there. I don't only claim to have been there. The real problem is, that there were no others...

No, the real problem, as I've just stated, is that you suddenly weren't there when Form made his reveal.

No one could have made the difference there alone! Go check the situation yourself for God's sake and stop being intentionally misleading. It's annoying (or then evil - you Roa know which one of these it is in your case). Some people here had voted stupidly and then refused to come back to help us out from the situation. To wolves that's just great, but for us others not.

Mith made the difference all by herself. You certainly didn't help her. So your statement is inherently false. Some people have to vote and leave because RL interferes. Scolding people for that is rather harsh of you. And I ask to refrain from using "stupid" as an attack. Everyone here is highly intelligent, and while we may have ade a mistake, we don't deserve that kind of debasement.

And Bingo! She got the word "flip-flopping" included in the post! Yes, that Nogrod is also a flip-flopper! First of all, the accusation is wrong as I have tried to explain here. But secondly - and I think even more importantly, it's there to rouse suspicion (because everyone is so confident that anything someone names flip-floppy is bad). So ungrounded rhetorics once again.

News flash! Flip-flopping is bad. It's a sign of a wolf trying to please the crowd. It was a statement of my own observations, which I deem to be correct.

Roa I have been pondering so far whether I could try to trust you on this game - it would be just so totally improbable that you were a baddie again. But as you are here trying to make a mountain out of a molehill just using only rhetorical means and intentionally misguided interpretations, and as I happen to know that their target is innocent, I'm getting somewhat alarmed. If you would be an ordo just missing the mark, you would have had been sharper, more intelligent, seeing actual connections or slips or whatever. Here you had none.

More intelligent? Ouch. Serously, I'm playing my best. I don't have the time I had last game to do huge analysis, but I will next Day. And if you aren't dead by then, you can expect an in depth analysis on you. I may be making a mountain out of a molehill, but that's what wolfish Ang and cobbler Jennysaid about my case against wolfish Boromir.

You may know your role, but we do not. So you can't accuse us all of looking for "an innocent' to lynch. I rather think that this "wolf on wolf" theory of Morm's regarding you and Kitanna may be right, but I'd have to look more closely at Kitanna, which I assure you I will.

[JennyHallu]

Noggin, I would add that I thought it interesting that Jenny Hallu highlighted Valier's absence yesterday in her own first post.

Canadians being thin on the ground yesterday (game time) is in itself no more suspicious than Americans being other wise engaged tomorrow (real time). Now Valier is as good as anyone at keeping a low profile as a wolf but she is worth keeping around incase she does her "wolfsmeller pursuivant " thing ...

What happened in Canadia yesterday? And Val is a Canadienne?

Oh. Hunh. I'm just used to tons of Val posting long before I get around to posting.

[Roa_Aoife]

Times about up. After his display today, Nogrod is my number one suspect, so

++Nogrod

Hasta La Vista, wolfy.

[Nogrod]

I've seen an evil Roa to come back at the last minutes to secure her intended kill can't make it's way out of her net with a powerful rhetoric.

So you lynch me toDay, watch Roa really carefully!

Aggressive? Me? C'mon... Roa, you have seen me aggressive, this not even a half of it.

EDIT: X-posted with Jenny & Roa's vote

[JennyHallu]

Noggie, frankly you are worrying me, but not enough to vote for you. I don't think.

My suspicion list is currently:
Mith
Kitanna
Roa
Noggie
Kuru

With the last three about tied. Not sure who I want to vote for yet. I'll hold off a bit.

[JennyHallu]

Remember that since we have no Seer and so many wolves, kills are likely to be turned towards those they see most as threats during the day, and those who leave the least trail during the night. I honestly am not sure enough of Noggie's guilt to vote for him, but without some retractions, Kuru and I are not enough to change the outcome.

X'ed with Mac...have I enough time to check out Eomer, who's flown under my radar? Time to see.

[Macalaure]

I don't want Nogrod dead as I find him a little too aggressive but not off the mark and as innocent as one can feel somebody else.

Out of those who already have a vote, Eomer seems the one most likely to me to catch up on Nogrod.

Sorry Eomer, if you happen to be innocent.

-- Roa

++ Eomer of the Rohirrim

[Nogrod]

Ok. I would have liked to try someone else of my list, but as you others seem so quiet, I'll try with this one then, just to save my neck (no gifteds around so at best an innocent for innocent).

++ Eomer