Middle-earth Mysteries

[ninja91]

I also have a good question: What ever became of the Mouth of Sauron?

[alatar]

Originally Posted by ninja91

I also have a good question: What ever became of the Mouth of Sauron?

Complete speculation, but I think that, like Sauron after the overthrow of Morgoth, he would hang low a bit and then eventually start the next cycle. It might not be MoS, per se, but one of his offspring that might become the next great evil (though dluted like everything else). As precedent I cite Wulf, Freca's son.

[Orome]

Originally Posted by alatar

Complete speculation, but I think that, like Sauron after the overthrow of Morgoth, he would hang low a bit and then eventually start the next cycle. It might not be MoS, per se, but one of his offspring that might become the next great evil (though dluted like everything else). As precedent I cite Wulf, Freca's son.

Does the Mouth of Sauron have actual powers though? IIRC he is a black Numenorean, and as such would not have the innate power that Sauron had. Also, I would assume from this his power is tied to Sauron, so he would not be able to "lie low" like Sauron did. My personal thought is that after Sauron was overthrown, the "greater evils" i.e. sauron melkor came to an end, and the despotism and innate evilness of people came to the fore.

[narfforc]

The Mouth of Sauron entered into the service of the Dark Tower when it first arose again, I have always taken this to be possibly TA 2951, from this moment he grew in favour and learned great sorcery. Now if this is true, and we set his age at 20, then he would only be about the same age as Aragorn, not that old for someone of Numenorean descent. If we look at another scenario, one that places MoS at the earlier time of Saurons return from Numenor, then that makes him far older. In The Silmarillion we are told of Saurons return to Barad-dur thus:

And Sauron gathered to him great strength of his servants out of the east and the south; and among them were not a few of the high race of Numenor.

It is possible that MoS was one of these.


If he had managed to somehow hold back his death, I think Sauron must have had something to do with it, for none can withold the gift of Iluvatar. The Numenoreans under their last Kings and at the height of their powers could not do this, if MoS had been lent power by Sauron, then at his downfall I think he would also fall. If he had somehow survived the fall of his master, I think this powerful sorcerer would/could have found some new power base. After the fall of Sauron, the Black Numenoreans merged with the Men of Middle-earth, but they inherited without lessening their hatred of Gondor, seems like an ideal location for a New Shadow to arise. The mouth of Sauron would be a powerful character in The Fourth Age, the Istari have gone, and the other powers are enamoured of their environment.

[Child of the 7th Age]

Back to the original question....

Where do hobbits really come from?

[davem]

Originally Posted by Child of the 7th Age

Back to the original question....

Where do hobbits really come from?

The Shire mostly, but there are some in Bree.....

[Child of the 7th Age]

Naughty Davem....

Now tell me where they were in the Second Age!