WWJ IX: Psychotic Penguins: The Crossing of Helcaraxë

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

What I don't grasp is your idea that everybody should act seerish at the beginning in order to hide the seer. This will cause a lot of fuss in which the werewolves maybe can hide, too.

The only people making a fuss about it right now seems to be you. Usually people make cases to defend and accuse their fellow villagers. A couple of Seerish hints here and there doesn't make the situation for the ordos any different because they know to disregard them while the Seer is still alive and they ponder the analyses, but the WPs won't be able to take advantage of that strategy at any point.

The seer should just remain quiet about what he knows until he knows enough.

That's for the Seer to decide.

But wouldn't it help to do exactly that in a logical manner, as Roa suggested right away, instead of:

Worry not, it's the custom to be as reasonable as possible. The thing is that only the WPs and the Seer in this village know something for sure, but it doesn't stop the rest of us from analysing everything that talks.

Now I'm seriously going.

[Macalaure]

I still don't understand it. *sighs*

Giving seerish hints while not being seer and being as reasonable as possible doesn't mix to me.


But that's why I only joined a Junior game, so never mind. I'll just wait and see... er, read.

[Firefoot]

Well yeah, but if that situation comes up a clever villager could preempt the WPs and step forward and claim to be a WP and demand that the Cobbler vote with him. Then perhaps a real WP would step forward to contest the claim? Then it would be up to the Cobbler to decide who was the real WP.

Even if the Cob is the tie-breaking vote, he might not necessarily vote the right way- that is if the remaining villagers are also pretending to be WPs.

The cobbler votes for theirself. Wolf votes with cobbler. Game over. (See WW VII)

[JennyHallu]

Those poor pretty penguins...I just never expected they might be evil! My dear Phantom (which phantom were you, again?), your extensive knowledge of them frightens me, for I know little about anything.

I'm enjoying my nice low-stress existence though...my ancestors have had a viciously evil streak that seems to be skipping the proverbial generation right now.

Come on guys...can't we get past all this Gifted-talk? It makes me terribly nervous. If you start speculating on who's gifted I'll be forced to distribute earplugs so the penguin-cursed on this little isle won't be able to hear you.

Anyway, I think the phantom, Encai, and Valier are looking rather avian.

[Lalaith]

Well, this is all very civilised. After the epic dimensions of the last village I lived in, just a page to be getting on with. In fact, I feel quite up to a post analysis.

Phantom: disses penguins. Second post, answers Roa by pointing out cobbler is clueless. Says it is possible to make up theories about anyone, innocent or guilty.
Third post: don’t worry about Cobbler. That a clever villager could, at crunch-time, fool the Cobbler by impersonating a WP. Tells the Seer not to hint until tomorrow. Asks people to drop hints about innocents to help hide the Seer. Says Spawn is a WP, presumably in jest.
Fourth post: says he hadn't thought of a self-vote, that people shouldn’t be able to vote for themselves. (Tell that to Nilp and Guy!) Continues to explain Seer theory to Mac, that Seer must remain hidden.

Roa: prefers to analyse than theorise. Worries about cobbler, and warns against “faulty logic or baseless assumptions” and people stating theory as fact.

Eonwe: jokes with Roa, and then agrees with both Roa and phantom about Cobbler.
Second post, jokes with Boro about strangeness, points out possibility of double or triple bluffs.

Diamond: jokes, votes for Eomer. I do sympathise…
Second post, talks about the possibility of the Seer revealing the Cobbler by saying “ignore what x says.” (A bit odd – if the Seer was revealing anyway, then simply saying x is a Cobbler should be more straightforward. And for the Seer to reveal for the sake of unmasking a Cobbler seems foolhardy)

Boromir: posts in character but then says odd things. Talks about the confusion caused by the cobber, and also agrees with phantom, that the cobbler doesn’t know anything, but then seems to say it is important to lynch him anyway, which is I think what Roa was saying.
Second post – finds Valier and Eonwe “too strange” to be WPs. Is good with Firefoot because of her Cobbler comment. Sees nothing in the posts of Roa, phantom or Diamond.

Valier – first post is vintage Valier fuzzy logic. It’s early days, of course, but her family are famous for their instincts, if they are innocent…

Firefoot: continues the Cobbler debate. Makes the point (correct IMO) that the Cobbler is only really dangerous when s/he survives towards the end.
Second post: points out (which Mac already did) that Cobbler and wolves could all vote for Cobbler.

Jenny: says Cobbler is useless without the werecreatures. Voices half-jokey suspicions of phantom?
Second post: Keeps talking about phantom’s suspiciousness, and mentions own innocence. Says we should stop talking about gifteds. Says phantom, Encai (who hasn’t posted yet) and Valier are avian.

Naria – checks in to say she’s tired.

Macalaure – points out his nervous newbie status. Interprets Phantom’s post as an invitation to random lynching. Re-opens Cobbler debate, makes quite interesting point about distinction between cobblers and WPs. Thinks the arguments of innocents will be more logical than those of the guilty. Again points to newbie status.
Second post: answers phantom’s point about WP impersonation by saying the WPs could all vote for the Cobbler. (A good answer, actually) Also argues that people shouldn’t impersonate Seer.
Third post: continues to argue with phantom about Seer Impersonation, pleads for logic rather than confusion.

Anguirel – wants to fight phantom, finds him sensible so far but also guilty til proven innocent. Thinks Eonwe’s contributions are slight, Diamond’s are worrying and Valier’s are normal. Thinks Boromir’s first post is unhelpful but his second better. Thinks Firefoot’s headless chicken suggestion is sensible (!?) and fears her most, along with Boromir and phantom, as WP.
Second post: answers Mac’s Seer point, and agrees with phantom – although he remembers phantom might be guilty and thus ironic. Then says he doesn’t want hints at all. Remembers phantom’s “deliberate lynching of innocent” scheme, disagrees with it.
Third post: answers phantom, points out lynched volunteer leaves no trail.

Spawn: Agrees with Seer Impersonation plan. Thinks Mac’s Cobbler point is correct but hopes it won’t come to that.
Second post: argues, but in reassuring way, with Mac. Thinks a few Seerish hints harmless, that while everyone will try to be reasonable only the WPs and Seer know things for sure.

Yet to post: Kitanna, Encataire

This analysis is as much for my benefit as everyone else's. At the moment, I can only presume my own innocence. Looking over it, I'm quite interested in a few things, such as people who seem to be taking up two points of view simultaneously, and Mac's and phantom's interplay. Back for more, later.

[the phantom]

Just dropping in to let everyone know that I won't be around until the very end of the day (last half hour).

Are there double lynchings? If so, I'll be around to make sure one doesn't happen. See ya later.

[Boromir88]

Some interesting discussion we've had since my last visit.

Haha! Yes but think of the double-bluff implication on that one will you! And don't complain to me if the triple-bluff gets to you. You signed up for this were-penguine expose!~Eonwe

The only person I would expect to double-bluff is phantom...and actually I wouldn't put it past Anguirel either. Now that I say that I'm probably going to get double-bluffed out of my mind by everyone I least expected to.

Ok, so we have three little devil penguins in the village, and 14 villagers, which means approximately 1 wp to 5 innocent. So here goes my process of elimination:

Valier
Diamond18
Naria
Macalaure
Lalaith
Firefoot
Jenny
Roa
phantom
spawn
Kitanna
Encaitare
Anguirel
Eonwe

Like I said before I doubt wp's would be this eccentric and wild in the beginning. So for now there's no reason to suspect Valier.

I wonder if Diamond was making fun of me when in a past village my great grandfather first voted for Saucepan Man, but SpM wasn't even a member of the village. Oh boy that was fun. Anyway, like Valier seems to eccentric to be a wp. But this I do find odd:

A possible scenario would be for the Seer to dream of the Cobbler, and if/when they reveal, they can just tell us to ignore whatever that person says. But as this scenario requires the Seer revealing (and consequently dying) I still think that lynching the cobbler (or laughing when the penguins kill him/her at night) would do us just fine.

And exactly why would we want the Seer to do that? If someone comes out and says...don't pay attention to this person, then the penguins are going to find the Seer rather easily.

Also, and I'm going to need a mod ruling on this one, if I remember correctly since the Cobbler is an ordinary villager, if the Seer dreams of the cobbler all the seer is told is that person is innocent. Since the cobbler is a villager...just a twisted villager.

Naria I don't know at this point. Naria seems to be one of those silent contributors. Doesn't have to post a lot (unlike me) to have solid input and contribution to the village. I will be expecting to see more substance instead of just, hi I'm tired bye, but in this early going there's no reason to cry penguin.

Macalaure is just catching onto the game, which means he's one of the most innocent looking ones to me so far. His lack of understanding and his objection to phantom's proposal speaks towards his innocence. There's no reason for penguins to attract that much attention to themselves early in the beginning. Seems like he's your ordinary innocent that is trying to help the village.

Lalaith, I don't mind summaries, really I don't see a point...i guess it's more for organization, I'm never going to use it. There's nothing particular that waves a flag for me in Lalaith's post.

Firefoot, if innocent can greatly benefit the village, if penguin would probably be our demise. But we shouldn't lynch a player like Firefoot on Day 1, unless she wants to tell us a little secret that only 2 other people know?

Jenny just doesn't sit right with me. Seems like she's trying to squelch conversation and that's all we have on Day 1. Says if we start speculating who is gifted she thinks the penguins will catch on too easily. Now that I see sense in, if someone suspects a gifted, it's best to keep your mouth shut and keep it to yourself. But you see here Miss Embroiderer no one is talking about who is gifted, we are formulating a plan and possible strategies that the gifteds might want to try if they so desire.

Roa there is a common misconception about theories, everyone seems to think it's just baseless and preposterous. Now a true theory is a hypothesis based UPON facts. So, the facts are sitting out there and then based on those facts you form a hypothesis which = theory. And for everybody except the wps and the Seer all we have to find the penguins are theories. Which means taking facts, like what people say, how they vote, who's killed...etc taking that knowledge and using it to present a hypothesis that is backed up by facts (aka a theory).

phantom seems like the normal which leaves me undecided on him right now. He always comes out and talks strategies and plans these crazy schemes that everyone just disregards. So phantom is acting the same, but phantom will play the same whether he be innocent or a devil penguin. So I see phantom and Macalaure's little disagreement as two innocents, phantom proposes a plan and as usual somebody thinks it's crazy. But of the two I would expect phantom to be the penguin.

Spawn backs up and says she was going to say something like the phantom, for everyone to just leave clues on who they feel is innocent. Seems a little fishy to me...trying to associate yourself with an innocent perhaps?

Anguirel, has popped in couple, said his say, nothing strange there.

Eonwe Seems like she's having some Day 1 fun, but I hope that changes from our herald.

Well I think that's everybody and now on "phantom's plan". Now, correct me if I interepretted this wrong, but to me, this sounds like you're proposing all we do is sit and post a couple people to be innocent, name no one you think is guilty, this way the Seer can stay hidden.

Of course the Seer needs to stay alive as long as possible but this can be done without this strategy. Long long time, some 20 mega-zillion years ago my ancestor, the first of my family line to be haunted by wolves (as well as a werebear) was the Seer. And stayed until near the very end when at last revealed himself assuring victory for the village. And I'm reminded of my fathers game not too long ago...ok so my father didn't do so well, but Lommy our seer stayed out of wolf hands and when the time was right revealed herself.

Anyway, what I'm saying is theories, and who we find "guilty" is all we have (excluding the Seer) and that's OUR way of finding penguins. If we just go around claiming who's innocent we have nothing to go off of when it comes to voting, and who knows who'll be lynched. A talented and gifted Seer can effectively stay hidden without having to do this.

[JennyHallu]

I'm not trying to squelch conversation. I'm trying to turn it from fruitless cobbler-and-see talk to penguin catching. I've been in 3 separate villages where an evil villager was lynched on the first day, and I'm the last person you'll see complain about not having much to go on on day 1, especially since I ascribe none of those kills to luck.

I want to figure out who the evil ones are! And you, Boromir, have obliged by moving your focus. Thank you.

That quote from Diamond...I must have missed it. But she knows better! Must reread. Again. I really shouldn't contemplate village (I mean icefloe) matters at the same time as *aHEM* embroidering for my livelihood. I get confused.

[Macalaure]

Thanks to the phantom and Diamond. This now may look suicidal, but I think I would have done the same if I had some secret feathers. I couldn't have remained quiet, and messing up a plan by not just saying NO (like Boro and Ang(!) ) but giving random pros and cons - that's me.

Oh, and I am overwhelmed. I'm just acting.
You seem to see hints in posts that I can't even see when pointed out.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Also, and I'm going to need a mod ruling on this one, if I remember correctly since the Cobbler is an ordinary villager, if the Seer dreams of the cobbler all the seer is told is that person is innocent. Since the cobbler is a villager...just a twisted villager.

Somehow, this kept sticking in the back of my head. Curse you, penguin!

What troubled me about Kitanna was that in one post she said she saves her retraction for possibly retracting on herself, and in the next it's "I need to remain alive - only I can save Lal."
Made no sense to me, but doesn't matter anymore, now.

EDIT: Well, goodnight. Read you tomorrow.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Giving seerish hints while not being seer and being as reasonable as possible doesn't mix to me.

It can be just a choice of words or whatever. Ask Boromir because he can seereally how that is to be done. (Just to be clear, I'm referring to an old incident here)

I think I could make a case against every one of you now, but maybe that's not very reasonable considering that many of you have posted only once, so I shall wait until more posts will come.

In the meantime, I'm worried about Ang.

His first post is a noble attempt to make an analysis with minimal amount of material. Maybe a bit too noble, actually.
At that point ten people had posted and he picked six of them (who had posted once or twice) to inspect. All the statements of the villagers contain a positive and negative side, but we don't get any kind of a real conclusion of that. Yes, it's hard to tell, but that hardly provokes discussion and it's something a WP would want to do in order to appear helpful.

-He said that he likes fighting with phantom, but phantom makes sense. Ang is suspicious of phantom until he's proven innocent, but he agrees with phantom's points.
-Ang said that Eonwe hasn't contributed much, but defends him by saying that there's not much material in the village anyway.
-Diamond was worrying, but she could have been more worrying while Boro's first post looks a bit unhelpful, but the second one is better.
-Valier isn't very suspicious because she behaves normally, and Ang agrees with Firefoot although he's afraid that she could be a WP. Still, he doesn't want to lynch her for that - yet.

In Ang's second post he answers Macalaure that the Seer theory has two sides, but phantom's plan seems pretty good unless he is a WP. Next thing he says that he'd rather not have hints at all because we should concentrate on the enemies instead of gifteds. To me the plan isn't about concentrating on gifteds, but trying to distract the WPs while we pay attention to catching them.

He asks if phantom wants to go with his ancestor's plan about lynching volunteers and says that he'd not support the idea.

In his third post Ang just refers to his ancestor and explains why he thinks that lynching volunteers is a bad idea. Well, why to bring it up in the first place, then?

All in all, Ang has been more, well, not necessarily flip-floppy, but careful than what I would have thought. I don't get the usual innocent feeling when reading his posts, and having no certain opinion about anything looks penguinesque, so I look forward to his future posts.


Oh, and what makes Jenny leave Cobblerish hints on purpose, I wonder...


ps. Please, people, read the rules, and you'll find playing much easier.

Originally Posted by Rules

In this game, the cobbler will be seen as the cobbler by the seer when dreamed of

There will be no double-lynches

[Lalaith]

Yes, I was just going to say that, Spawn (regarding rules...)
Also, interesting what you say about Anguirel - I'm inclined to agree. Ang is usually one of nature's Cobblers but RL pressures might make him less playful than usual.
I agree that Ang should be watched closely - also Di, who can hide much behind the kooky facade, and Macalaure, so keen to emphasise his newbie status and yet able to worst phantom on the cobbler issue.
I am also having bad feelings about my old comrades in evil, Boro and phantom.

[Firefoot]

I'm finding it interesting (not suspicious, necessarily) that already we've had two people try to do full out analyses on everyone (Valier's doesn't really count, I'd expect stuff like that on Day 1)... to be quite honest, I wouldn't have thought there enough material to be worth doing them. For myself, I'm not really seeing anything particularly notable or suspicious yet...

Tsk tsk.... the phantom should always be obeyed.

When we start doing that, that's probably when you turn up as a wolf...

[Diamond18]

Um, okay, I hope all this Werewolf 101 stuff is mostly for the benefit of Mac, because it's seriously boring. Yeah, the Seer wants to say hidden until s/he has gathered enough info to be useful. Yeah, we're probably bound to lynch a few innocents on the way. Yeah, the Cobbler can vote for his/herself. Yeah, some ordo's may want to act Seerish to deflect attention from the real Seer.

Maybe it's the lack of Noggie playing, but where are the actual crazy theories and real debates?

I tend to agree with those who see little point in the analyzations so far. I admit that I skimmed the ones posted so far. I mean, I just read the posts they're analyzing.

Boro... no, I'm not making fun of you. I didn't even know about that mishap. I was just taking out some latent, um, frustration from the last game I was in. I did not get to vote the last day, but surely would have voted Eomer if I'd gotten to the thread 2 hours earlier than I did.

Also, I wasn't saying the Seer should reveal just for the sake of revealing the cobbler. Ha, ah ha ha ha. I was just saying that, if the Seer feels the need to reveal a Penguin or two (for example, in the first game I played in, you revealed KuruWolf after FeaWolf was already dead, and left us to find KitWolf ourselves) and also happened to know who the Cobbler is, they could let us know. But the Seer should only reveal if s/he has actual Penguin-centric information to share. The Cobbler would just be icing on the cake.

Oh yeah, and tp, read the rules. I'm the half-wit around here.

[Valier]

Wow I don't think I've ever been called eccentric before....nice....

I for one also think all this ww 101 is boring, we know how the game works and I think if everyone left seer hints, all us Ordo's will have more of a hard time picking out the WP's. I understand why you think this is a good plan, but I am sure the Seer can take care of themself for at least awhile. I will be around for most of the day today, so I will be making a list shortly with who I think the baddies and goodies are.

[Boromir88]

ps. Please, people, read the rules, and you'll find playing much easier.~spawn

That's always been my problem, I skim through the rules, and it's probably going to get me into trouble one of these days. I want to get right straight to the start, and get going, I don't go through the set-up as much as one probably should. I find rules to be boring and think that there should be none except the bare minimum to keep from an all out frenzy from going on.

It can be just a choice of words or whatever. Ask Boromir because he can seereally how that is to be done.

Oh boy a trip down memory lane. Funny thing is it looks like I just did a little typo and didn't put in a space, but actually it was done on purpose...fun times.

I'm finding it interesting (not suspicious, necessarily) that already we've had two people try to do full out analyses on everyone (Valier's doesn't really count, I'd expect stuff like that on Day 1)... to be quite honest, I wouldn't have thought there enough material to be worth doing them. For myself, I'm not really seeing anything particularly notable or suspicious yet...~Firefoot

For me it's setting up what's coming up next, in that I was getting down sort of the first "feelings" of everyone's post. Most people had posted by this time and many more several times, and I was remarking upon the type of feel that I got from their posts, which is all leading up to what I'm doing soon.

I'm not trying to squelch conversation. I'm trying to turn it from fruitless cobbler-and-see talk to penguin catching. I've been in 3 separate villages where an evil villager was lynched on the first day, and I'm the last person you'll see complain about not having much to go on on day 1, especially since I ascribe none of those kills to luck.~Jenny

My fault then and this makes you seem more innocent in my eyes. I still stand by that it will be beneficial to lay down plans and ideas that our gifteds may want to consider. It's their own decision to come up with, but just some ideas for them to think about. I agree only good to the penguins can come out of someone saying "I think so and so may be the Seer," but was pointing out this was not the case. It was possible strategies being discussed, not actually naming anyone. And that response there makes you look innocent to me.

So now onto what I was talking about before and the kind of feel I got off of people's post. These are the ones that to me, as of right now have a more innocent look to them:

Spawn
Jenny
Eonwe
Valier
Macalaure

Most of them I already explained why they appear innocent before. Spawn for her input on Anguirel she seems innocent. I don't know yet what to make of Anguirel, but Spawn's input is beneficial, helpful, and usually I don't suspect the one's who announce stronger suspicions this early. For it's a bold move for a WP to stick their neck out and first really start the suspicions.

Unsure, now these following people could really go either way. Some have a more innocent feel to them, but wouldn't put it past them if they were a WP. Others there's just nothing definitive to go off of and outrightly declare them in the other two categories:

phantom
Firefoot
Naria
Encaitare
Diamond

phantom always has strategies always appears helpful, and right now seems to be more innocent. There's nothing that cries out penguin, but the scary thing with phantom is he'll play the exact same whether he's innocent or not. He'll be proposing ideas, talking strategies...etc, be it he innocent or evil penguin.

Firefoot, hasn't said a whole lot yet, seems to be more observant so far today. Perhaps that's just because there's really not too much out there. Again, like phantom, I like the advice from her so far, but it wouldn't surprise me if she was a wolf.

Naria and Encaitare both haven't posted anything yet. Well Naria did, but I'm not counting that. So, I can't make a decision on them yet at all.

And Diamond has just confused me so far. The cobbler business seemed awkward to me, I'm glad she came out and explained it more, but she's not done anything to make me feel like she's innocent like the "innocent looking" group.

And those who seem strange and since I'll be gone for 2-3 hours then come back, one of these people will most likely get my vote today.

Roa
Lalaith
Anguirel
Kitanna

Roa has come in established a presence in the village, but really hasn't if you know what I mean. Also, as I remarked before I don't agree with the "don't throw around theories or baseless arguments," and what do I propose you want us to do to catch a penguin miss Guardian?

Lalaith is the one I'm probably most concerned about right now. I said in my last post I didn't see anything that caught my alarm, but now with her recent post there have been a few things:

Talks about the confusion caused by the cobber, and also agrees with phantom, that the cobbler doesn’t know anything, but then seems to say it is important to lynch him anyway, which is I think what Roa was saying.

If you read through more carefully yes I agreed with both phantom and Roa but they were two seperate points made about the cobbler. I said yes to phantom saying the cobbler's guess to who the penguins are as good as an ordinary villager...meaning they don't know. And I agreed with Roa that the cobbler's death would be a positive for the village. Now this comment didn't seem to strange to me at first but it's what comes after:

Looking over it, I'm quite interested in a few things, such as people who seem to be taking up two points of view simultaneously

I am also having bad feelings about my old comrades in evil, Boro and phantom.

It just seems like she's trying to nudge suspicion towards other people. Not outrightly make a stance, just kind of saying "hey I have a bad feeling about them," or "this is odd" (and then something that was misinterpretted). Just seems to me that she's trying to get suspicion nudged towards other people without risking a lot.

Anguirel, I must say Spawns comments were very intriguing on Anguirel. At first it seemed to me like Anguirel was going off with what he had at the time, but good points have been raised against him. I'm going to hold off until he gets back.

Kitanna, she's looking suspicious not as a penguin but as the cobbler. Comes in with the first post, but I must say Kitanna you have confused a lot of stuff. Which means I don't think a penguin would be this clumsy so right now you feel like the cobbler.

This is also a good plan because if a non-gifted villager drops a subtle hint on who they think is guilty and turns out to be correct the penquins may kill him/her thinking they had gotten the real seer. Of course we would lose an innocent in the process, but our seer would be intake.

Actually phantom's plan (as I have read it, again correct me if I am wrong) was not to hint guilts, but to hint innocents. Because phantom argued that if someone is hinting guilts and it's not one of the penguins, then the penguins know that person must not then be the Seer. So, to cover the seer it's hinting innocents therefor the penguins have a harder time finding the seer, not guilty ones as you have seed.

Boromir said he doubts phantom would be such a double-bluffer, today I'm inclined to believe that.

Actually I said of everyone in this village I expected phantom the most likely to pull a double-bluff.

Kitanna's made a few misinterpretations it looks like, seems too clubsy to be a penguin, but very well could be the cobbler.

[Thinlómien]

They had been informed about their horrid situation by the Parrot when they reached the Great Hall. Had they been humans, they would have been at each others' throats in minutes. There would have been the usual banter of Men, accusations thrown randomly around and people offended by others’ harsh words and attitudes.

Happily humans hadn’t yet been invented.

And behold! These noble Elves sat around the table in the Great Hall and started a civilized and learned discussion about possible options and theories – even speculating the nature of theories in general and their usefulness. There was also some debate on the nature of the horrid bird-creatures haunting them, arguments concerning the theory of probability and the correct mathemathical deductions from it and naturally stories of old were recounted.

“I knew those beastly little birds were no good the minute I laid eyes on them! I wanted to beat them off the ice, but noooo... you all said ‘Oh, they're cute, don't hurt them’ and ‘They're just pulling us to safety’”, began the phantom.

All the Elves hadn’t had similar feelings though:
“Those poor pretty penguins...I just never expected they might be evil!” Jenny said, evidently shocked.

“I have failed in my duty to protect the Lady Eonwe, and I am greatly shamed for it” Roa, Elenwë’s personal guard, admitted, “I will try to regain my honor by taking revenge on the beasts who harmed my mistress.”

“Failed to protect the "Lady Eonwe", huh? I believe you meant "Lady Elenwë". Are we preoccupied a bit there Roa?” Eonwe replied, pulling a face to her – clearly recalling the numerous times in the past he had been taken for a female.

“I say we get all of this over with quick and kill EOMER! Yar! Hahahahahahahaha!” Dimwë the half-wit suggested. Then, with a sigh, she continued: “Ha. Er, what was that? Well pffifle it all.”

“Well, this is all very civilised”, Lalaith commented.

And for a while it continued in a civilised manner as especially Boromir and Roa were entangled in a debate.

“Roa there is a common misconception about theories, everyone seems to think it's just baseless and preposterous. Now a true theory is a hypothesis based UPON facts. So, the facts are sitting out there and then based on those facts you form a hypothesis which = theory”, defined Boromir.

“As I stated previously- I said I wasn't one for theories, but I never said don't state them. I did, however, say that we should be wary of baseless arguments, because they are, in fact, baseless”, argued Roa, “The truth is, you can postulate all day long, but in the end hard evidence, like what is provided in summaries and analysis, can't be denied with any sort of reasonableness, unlike a theory which can be shown false.”

“There's a difference between going through every post on each person and reciting what they said (which is a summary) and going through the posts and staying one's feelings on everyone (which I would call analysis)”, Boro replied with yet another definition.

“While theories are supported by facts, they are not, in themselves, fact, and someone who seems eager to have us adhere to one theory as fact is directly misleading us”, Roa claimed.

The debate went on and on. Some of the Elves found it a bit boring, but Boro and Roa obviously didn’t.

“I say we lynch Lalaith. She tries too hard to seem helpful”, Encaitare suggested.

“Nah, let’s lynch Kitanna. She’s too careless”, spawn disagreed.

“No! Boromir is the most suspicious. He’s over-defensive”, Lalaith said.

All of them got some support, especially lynching Lalaith.

When the situation started to look quite bad for her, she sighed: “An innocent Lalaith, might, as Ang so nicely says, be an asset to the village but a Seer Lalaith is definitely so.” She added: “Boromir is a werepenguin, by the way.”

“Oohh! You tricksey”, Valier cried, “Let’s kill him!”

“Alright”, Macalaure agreed.

“Let’s kill Lalaith – no, let’s kill Boro!” Naria dropped in suddenly, a bit confused.

“Yes, let’s cast him to a gorge!” the phantom called.

“And let’s chain him first so that he can’t escape” added Kitanna.

They carried the chained Boromir to the cleft they had marked when they had gotten ashore last evening. As they reached the cleft, they felt their burden lighten. To their horror they saw Boromir morph. He shrunk and started to grow black feathers, his arms changed to little wings and his eyebrows became long and yellow.



Scared, the Boro-penguins carriers dropped him down. The Rockhopper penguin faced them defiantly, ignoring his chains. “I still say that a summary and an analysis are not the same thing”, he screaked.

“That’s enough!” Roa shouted, “Push him down!”

“Down with the werepenguins!” Lalaith agreed and helped Roa push the Rockhopper into the void.

He screamed as he fell.

~ The Dead ~
Nogrod - a troubadour, singer – mod, blowed up in the Big Bang on Night1
Thinlómien - a troubadour, harpist – mod, blowed up in the Big Bang on Night1
Boromir88 - The Mouth of Turgon – werepenguin, cast into a gorge on Day1

~ The Living ~
Anguirel - Lalwende's semi-canonical lutenist and Findis's demi-canonical flautist
dancing spawn of ungoliant - animals' dung cleaning specialist
Diamond18 - Dimwë the half-wit second cousin of Elenwë
Encaitare - A standard-bearer
Eonwe - Turgon's herald
Firefoot - Aredhel's friend
JennyHallu - An Embroiderer, lost, not related
Kitanna - servant who empties and cleans chamber pots
Lalaith - Aredhel's tutoress
Macalaure - Turgon's nephew and part-time-repentant kinslayer
Naria - Family's goat herder
the phantom - Ecthelion's hotheaded nephew and personal squire
Roa_Aoife - Elenwë's personal guard
Valier - Elenwe's personal chamber maid

Night 2 begins now.

Werepenguins start PMing.
Seer, ranger and penguins send your picks to Nogrod.