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Face in the Water
Join Date: Dec 2003
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![]() Also, here's an interesting article I found when searching for the President's height. Getting back to the original topic, it's possible that Tolkien did this deliberately, but a lot of the examples listed by Thinlomien are merely logical. Quote:
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The other examples may be chance, or Tolkien might be trying to make a point... but in his stories, might doesn't equal right. It's not a clear parallel of the Stone Age days when the tallest, strongest man often led the tribe. Purity of heart and courage count for much more than height-- as other posters have already pointed out, two of the shortest people in Middle-earth had more of these qualities than some of the tallest men. My theory is that by making people tall Tolkien was trying to emphasize their noble heritage, in the case of the men, and in the elves, indicate that the blood of their parents ran true in them, and that they had received their favorable traits. |
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Eagle of the Star
Join Date: Jan 2006
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I would say that the 'blue print' is found in the valar. In the Annals of Aman, it is stated that "after the coming of the Eldar they (the valar) most often used shapes of 'human' form, though taller (not gigantic) and more magnificent". In letter #246, Tolkien states about Sauron: "the form that he took was that of a man of more than human stature, but not gigantic".
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Muddy-earth
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If George W Bush is 5' 11'' then I stand corrected, it is that he looks shorter, and I think maybe he is surrounded by bigger people. Having stood quite close to him I would have bet my life he was'nt that Tall, maybe for the reason we are talking about, his aids wish him to be more than what he is, and have added somewhat to his dimensions, but then I may be wrong. How tall is Laura then?
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Princess of Skwerlz
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles)
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Let's stay away from current politics and stick to Middle-earth, please...
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Auspicious Wraith
Join Date: May 2002
Location: The Netherlands
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Of course not all the important characters can be really tall, but this is just a splash of realism on Tolkien's part. He wanted most of his leaders to stand out and inspire awe in his followers. What simpler way to inspire awe than in being visually outstanding? It's the same with beauty.
Concerning Hobbits: Yes they saved the world, but they didn't lead the world. They were jokes, cause for laughter, among the Men of Middle-earth until their ignorance was demonstrated. So the default position is shown to be disrespect. The Hobbits had to save the lives of the tall folk in order for their worth to be obvious (to those tall folk). Think of Pippin at Minas Tirith: the very notion that this tiny little guy could help our city! Generally, heighty is seen to be mighty. (Love the thread title, by the way. ![]()
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Byronic Brand
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: The 1590s
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But phantom's point on Hurin-specifically described as shorter than most men of his House-is interesting. Also Beren is not described as tall, and indeed I read an interesting essay arguing that he too was short(er), evidence including the fact that Curufin shot at Luthien and Beren jumped yet landed the arrow in his upper torso...it also fits with Beren's slinking outlawry approach.
And then there are the Druedain. And of course the Naugrim. Both races of doughty warriors... Yeah, alright, but the general principle still holds... I find Boromir's discussion of "evil"height interesting; but evil also works by the slinking malformed Wormtongue/Gollum approach...
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Cryptic Aura
Join Date: May 2002
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Well, isn't it obvious that fantasy is full of tall tales?
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It is even more obvious that anything 'merely natural', be it height or smallness, good wit or physical strength may be used both for good or for bad
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Shadowed Prince
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Thulcandra
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I don't have much to add that's original, but as the site's official short person, I thought I should make my presence felt.
Excessive height always attracts attention. The only example I can think of is one I'm sure most people won't get, but, for example, look at Peter Crouch on the football pitch. He just sort of... towers. It draws the eye. Tall characters are there to stick out from the mundane. In addition, height is desirable. The typical attractive man is tall, dark and handsome (two out of three ain't bad, is it? ![]() |
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