Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXI: Dueling Wizards Werewolf

[Roa_Aoife]

I will disagree with whomever I wish. At this present moment, he knows as much as we do except fo rthe identity of one hunter, who is useless if not attacked anyways. It's not about self conservation, it's about me thinking for myself. Your tone is insulting, Nilp. Back off.

Edit: And it's not the list I disagree with- it's the whole idea of us letting him think for us. It takes the fun out of the game. What's the point if I can't think things out on my own?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I don't know why I bother. I'll probably be dead toNIGHT, enedwaith.

It was nice playing with you guys. Well, most of you, those who don't criticise other player's style and aren't afraid of having their styles criticised.

Let's see:

INNOCENT:
Gurthang - GW
Nilp - ex-Seer
Firefoot - last dream target.

Clear enough?

Caran, if we add the Hunter, that's 18 unknown villagers left.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I'll come back with my vote by about 4pm local (GMT +8).

[Roa_Aoife]

I didn't criticize anyone's playing style, I disagreed with what I think is a bad plan. And if my playing style was criticized, I totally missed it. I just don't like you saying that I should listen to Gurthang with out question- he's foulable too.

I already made that list on my own. The odds of one wolf being in that four are rediculous, and he isn't certain about a single one of them. If he could expand the list, even, it would be for our good. But no, we just have to accept it, with ever questioning, oh my God, the GW might just be wrong about something!

I'm not saying I don't trust Gurthang, nor am I saying I think he's stupid, or incapable, or anything else. I just know better than to put all my eggs in one basket.

But I can see this will fall on deaf ears. So do whatever.

++Valier

Because she's the only one on the list that I find mildly suspicious, and far be it from me to suggest someone else. Obviously Gurthang knows everything that's going on, and certainly isn't as lost as the rest of us.

[Gurthang]

[All quotes are Roa's]

I didn't criticize anyone's playing style, I disagreed with what I think is a bad plan. And if my playing style was criticized, I totally missed it. I just don't like you saying that I should listen to Gurthang with out question- he's foulable too.

Truer words were never spoken.

I already made that list on my own. The odds of one wolf being in that four are rediculous, and he isn't certain about a single one of them. If he could expand the list, even, it would be for our good. But no, we just have to accept it, with ever questioning, oh my God, the GW might just be wrong about something!

You're right, I'm not certain about any of them. But technically, I didn't pick the list. Everybody did by their voting yesterday. Are you saying the whole village is wrong?

And expanding the list helps the Evil Wizard. It narrows down the choices of who my Hunter is.

I'm not saying I don't trust Gurthang, nor am I saying I think he's stupid, or incapable, or anything else. I just know better than to put all my eggs in one basket.

I did not see you hesitate much before voting for Valier.

But I can see this will fall on deaf ears. So do whatever.

Thanks. Thanks a lot. You have no idea how that makes me feel.

Because she's the only one on the list that I find mildly suspicious, and far be it from me to suggest someone else. Obviously Gurthang knows everything that's going on, and certainly isn't as lost as the rest of us.

Please suggest away. I won't guarantee that they will be put on the list, but I do know this: they won't be if nobody says they suspect them. And, as a matter of fact, I am not as lost as the rest of you, for I know who the Hunter is. Not that that's all that significant, but it is a fact.

I think you're a good leader, but I am a horrible follower, and I cannot simply accept your commands when I know we're in virtually the same boat. I don't want to be insulting, just realistic.

I still disagree. I do not think I am a good leader.

Voting so far:

Diamond - Azaelia (Azaelia-1)
Jenny - Valier (Azaelia-1, Valier-1)
Roa - Valier (Azaelia-1, Valier-2)
Alcarillo - Roa (Azaelia-1, Valier-2, Roa-1)

[Roa_Aoife]

You're right, I'm not certain about any of them. But technically, I didn't pick the list. Everybody did by their voting yesterday. Are you saying the whole village is wrong?

And expanding the list helps the Evil Wizard. It narrows down the choices of who my Hunter is.

We've been wrong twice so far. And keeping the list narrow could halp the EW just as much by keeping our attention on innocents instead of the real bad guys.

I did not see you hesitate much before voting for Valier.

I voted in a huff of frustration, because I was really quite upset at Nilp and intended to just sign out for the day. If I didn't know that I'm going to have to be around to defend myself now that I'm on your "List of Death," I would have.

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But I can see this will fall on deaf ears. So do whatever.

Thanks. Thanks a lot. You have no idea how that makes me feel.

That quote was directed at Nilp, not at you. Honestly, he's the one who has me upset.

Please suggest away. I won't guarantee that they will be put on the list, but I do know this: they won't be if nobody says they suspect them.

The ex-seer seems to be saying that's wrong of us. According to him we have no choice but to accept your plan with out question- not a suggestion I have ever been partial too.

Again, I'm not terribly upset at you- I'm upset at Nilp. I don't agree with your plan, but I'll work with it if it's all I can do.

[Roa_Aoife]

Originally Posted by Fea

Tradition beckons...

Okay, third day, and you still haven't answered me on this. Why do you suspect me? Seriously, this isn't even defense anymore, it's just plain curiosity.

[Alcarillo]

Well, my wife was killed last night, but I'll just have to hold in my grief lest I be lynched.

I'll have to vote now, what with time-zones and whatnot. I like the Good Wizard's list. He knows far more than us common folk, after all. So, I'll vote for

++Roa Aoife

Her rebellious talk is unsettling. I like the GW's plan. It's worth a shot. I'd trust the GW. He's essentially a seer, only un-kill-able by ordinary methods, and with multiple seers (GW and whatever seers he makes), I think we could really narrow down our list of unknown villagers.

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by Alcarillo

I'll have to vote now, what with time-zones and whatnot. I like the Good Wizard's list. He knows far more than us common folk, after all.

The only thing Gurthang knows that we don't know, at this exact point, is the identity of the Hunter. But I'll bet you like the list, since you ain't on it.

Her rebellious talk is unsettling. I like the GW's plan. It's worth a shot. I'd trust the GW. He's essentially a seer, only un-kill-able by ordinary methods, and with multiple seers (GW and whatever seers he makes), I think we could really narrow down our list of unknown villagers.

Geesh, you'd think we wanted to lynch Gurthang or something. I certainly don't.

Gurthang: I might go ahead and do an analysis on Kitanna, but you have to promise to hold off your attack dog (aka Nilp) I have already said why I suspect her mainly, but though I remember her Day 1 and Day 3 activity and voting, Day 2 has kind of been lost in a haze.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Gurthang, love, you're a dear. I like your plans and I'd be happy to vote for one of your suspects, since I'm suspicious of them all already.

I don't know for certain if I'll be able to get back on before the end of the Day due to a couple classes, the general amount of other responsibilities, and an unexpected extra work shift, so I'm going to vote now.

Roa, sweetie, though I took your advice (before you even gave it!) to take some Advil and lay down (in as darkened and quiet a room you can get early evening on campus), it doesn't mean I'm any more comfortable with your continued existance. Tradition beckons...

++ROA

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

I will disagree with whomever I wish. At this present moment, he knows as much as we do except fo rthe identity of one hunter, who is useless if not attacked anyways. It's not about self conservation, it's about me thinking for myself. Your tone is insulting, Nilp. Back off.

Edit: And it's not the list I disagree with- it's the whole idea of us letting him think for us. It takes the fun out of the game. What's the point if I can't think things out on my own?

This was my point, too. And if that makes me not fun to play with, sorry. But you see, I have gone along with voting off the list, like a good girl -- I just don't think I have to pretend I'm 100% happy with the idea. Especially since the person I felt the most confident about voting for wasn't on the list.

If Zali is lynched and turns out to be a wolf, and Kitanna is innocent, then happy day. Until then, I reserve the right to be less than enthusiastic.

[Gurthang]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

I will disagree with whomever I wish. At this present moment, he knows as much as we do except fo rthe identity of one hunter, who is useless if not attacked anyways. It's not about self conservation, it's about me thinking for myself. Your tone is insulting, Nilp. Back off.

As is your's Roa. Is it alright to point out that Nilp and I are proven innocents?* I have finished my rant (I put those rant tags on them to make it appear less serious.) and will do my best to not sound insulting. I hope you'll do the same, too. Would it help if I gave you a big smile? (Probably not, but I try.)

This is why I hate being a leader. Roa and Diamond, you two are obviously pretty good leaders. Unfortunately that makes it very difficult for you to force yourself to be a follower. Especially when the leader is not that good of a one.

Which is why I will never run for President. Or mayor, even. How do you do it, morm?

Diamond, if you feel Kitanna might be a wolf, then analyze her. If enough people suspect her and I do not know if she is innocent or guilty, then I might put her on the list.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

That said I looked at the four names that Gurthang gave us and I think I'm the only one who doesn't see anything overly suspicious about Zali or Valier. It's probably because I have been paying more attention to other villagers. As for Eomer I still hold my suspicions from yesterday about him and I view Roa as an in between. So I'll just go over all of their posts and make a decision based on my findings.

Exactly. That's one thing that I think we should all do before we vote.


*If you do not believe that, then you can lynch me.

[Roa_Aoife]

I believe you Gurthang- I have no reason not to, and lying would not be wise on this issue. I dislike Nilp's tone because he implies that I have no choice but to follow you. I don't think that it is wise to limit ourselves so, and it seems to me like no one is listening when I say that. They simply assume that you know everything, and so we should just blindly go with the choices you present us. But you must admit, and this rebuffs Caran's argument- you know the same as us, except for the identity of the hunter, and I imagine that you picked a good choice in someone who was unlikely to be lynched, but likely to be killed. So really, your in the same place as us right now. That may change tomorrow, but right now you know no better than we do, and Nilp's suggestion that we must simply agree with you on everything insults my intelligence.

I think you're a good leader, but I am a horrible follower, and I cannot simply accept your commands when I know we're in virtually the same boat. I don't want to be insulting, just realistic.