Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXI: Dueling Wizards Werewolf

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Belated Happy Mother's Day to all mums here, real and in-game.

Okay, now let's get down to business.

Nobody bothers to take cross-votes into consideration, except probably me. Here are the ones I saw:

(Times are in GMT +8)

3.54: Morm --> Kath (Nogrod 1, Eomer 1, Lommy 1, Loki 2, Nilp 1, Oddwen 1, SPM 1, Kath 1)
3.56: Naria --> Nogrod (Nogrod 2, Eomer 1, Lommy 1, Loki 2, Nilp 1, Oddwen 1, SPM 1, Kath 1)

4.00: Eomer --> Nogrod (Nogrod 3, Eomer 1, Lommy 1, Loki 2, Nilp 1, Oddwen 1, SPM 1, Kath 1)
4.01: Lommy --> Nogrod (Nogrod 4, Eomer 1, Lommy 1, Loki 2, Nilp 1, Oddwen 1, SPM 1, Kath 1)
4.03: Alcarillo --> SPM (Nogrod 4, Eomer 1, Lommy 1, Loki 2, Nilp 1, Oddwen 1, SPM 2, Kath 1)

4.32: Fea --> Loki (Nogrod 4, Eomer 1, Lommy 2, Loki 3, Nilp 1, Oddwen 1, SPM 2, Kath 1)
4.33: Loki --> Nogrod (Nogrod 5, Eomer 1, Lommy 2, Loki 3, Nilp 1, Oddwen 1, SPM 2, Kath 1)

4.58: Lalaith --> Loki (Nogrod 5, Eomer 1, Lommy 2, Loki 5, Nilp 1, Oddwen 1, SPM 2, Kath 1)
4.59: Celuien --> Lommy (Nogrod 5, Eomer 1, Lommy 3, Loki 5, Nilp 1, Oddwen 1, SPM 2, Kath 1)

5.33: Valier --> Loki (Nogrod 5, Eomer 1, Lommy 4, Loki 6, Nilp 1, Oddwen 1, SPM 2, Kath 1, Alcarillo 1)
5.35: Kitanna --> Loki (Nogrod 5, Eomer 1, Lommy 4, Loki 7, Nilp 1, Oddwen 1, SPM 2, Kath 1, Alcarillo 1)
5.35: Azaelia --> Loki (Nogrod 5, Eomer 1, Lommy 4, Loki 8, Nilp 1, Oddwen 1, SPM 2, Kath 1, Alcarillo 1)

The underlines are about ties made and broken.

Now cross-votes are interesting because the cross-voters haven't had a chance to factor their fellow cross-voter's vote into the tally by the time they voted. Therefore, so far as we are concerned, Valier, Kitanna, or Zali gave Loki's 6th vote.

Interesting, eh? But probably useless for now.

I voted for Nogrod yesterDAY because:

a) he was on my possible Wizard's list, and I wanted to see some reaction, or lack of it, from him;
b) he had already posted much by the time I had to vote.
c) Now, the phantom was also on my possible Wizard's list, and he had posted much then, too, so I went with Nogrod because he's already up against someone: Loki. They ended up being the two to compete for the dubious honour of DAY 1 lynchee. Wow.

I got what I needed out of the strife. And I found Valier's vote most interesting . . .

++Valier

That's it. See you tomorrow, then.

[Lalaith]

One thing I wonder about from yesterday.
When the Good Wizard turned a wolf back to the path of righteousness, did the Evil One know which of his brood he had lost? He clearly does now, of course, but did he know at daybreak? If not, he would have had rather a worrying Day....

Morm, my dear old mayor, I'm glad you like my cannon fodder theory, but unless Loki was telling the truth and really was turned, then it doesn't apply in his case.

It is a great pity about the Seer not getting a dream in. I seem to remember some talk of the Nights being prolonged if business had not been concluded therein. I take it that no longer applies? I hope the wolves and EW will also be subjected to strict time constraints, that's all.

Another question I have, what rules does our great Seal-in-the-Sky intend to apply to non-voters and non-posters?
YesterDay's non voters were Sleepy (who has explained why elsewhere) and my wretched niece Oddwen. Where IS that child? Oh well, another day of sipping gin-and-its and sewing ruffles on my party dress, I'm sure she'll turn up when she's hungry.

The wolves - there were only two last night and presumably they either came, via their mod, to some arrangement, or the EW picked one of their two choices, or the EW may even have made a few suggestions to them regarding their kill, if such things are permissible.

The death of Saucie? A simple explanation, quite possibly: too high-profile to turn into a wolf, too dangerous to keep as an enemy.
But there is another explanation and I wonder if I am thinking along the same tracks as phantom. However too many hints will negate the benefits of keeping the theory quiet so I will say nothing until later.

On the subject of phantom, I see no-one suspects him at all. I don't either, actually, but I have looked in a few lorebooks and searched my ancestral memories and found that last time everyone trusted his ancestor, it led to village disaster. (One that profited my ancestress, an equally frivolous but also extremely wicked dancing girl...but let us not dwell on such painful matters.)

Mistress Battledore and the self-confessed creepy shepherdess Fea both think it seemly to hunt out the GW, as he is heading for martyrdom anyway. Now this is frivolity and nonsense beyond even my ken. Do you not think, ladies that we should at least wait until he gives us a few gifteds? Madame Diamond I am already watching, for showing more familiarity with the lyrics of the J Geils Band than any decent person should, something that would in itself be a lynching offence in less tolerant settlements.

[Cailín]

Well, the phantom of course, being my son and all, cannot possibly have anything to do with this evil. Aside from the fact that I personally raised him, I do believe he will (and needs to be) dreamed of and scried as soon as possible. Also, his behaviour yesterDay fits with his innocence. I love him dearly, oh yes, but not as much as he loves himself (who could?). If he was not chosen by either wizard, I am sure he needed to come up with a favourable explanation for that and that is exactly what he did.

Either way - he is all good for now. Even if he is in fact evil.

Another question I have, what rules does our great Seal-in-the-Sky intend to apply to non-voters and non-posters?

I was wondering, too. In a village as this one, no one is immediately going to notice those who post less than normal.

By the way, the Saucepan Man cannot have been way off. I think it is quite possible that he accused the entire village of potential lycanthropy and those he did not directly accuse, he certainly implied. I wonder about this supposed master strategy thing Lal and phantom brought up, though.

[Thinlómien]

Many people have despised/disliked/not agreed with Fea's theory about who could be the EW. I agree that using off game reasoning is not maybe the best thing to do (in the viewpoint of the game), but I think that Fea's theory makes sense. Another thing we could use when trying to solve thew personality of the EW is the person in question's personality. I bet I could name at least a few players who lack the ambition and self-assurance to apply a wizarding position.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

The wizards are the clue of this game. Thence lmp must have been pretty thoughtful when picking them. He would not have chosen people who'd be raising suspicions. It would increase the possibility of either one being revealed and the game changing into a normal WW-game just too soon. He would really like to see, how the wizards actually play.

In a way, I disagree. I think he would enjoy picking surprising people as wizards. I agree that he must have picked good players, however.

The EW's initial picks as wolves probably follow the same lines of thought as lmp's wizard choice. Three silent, under-radar types would serve the EW best in the beginning: giving them a working-peace to do her/his bidding in the chaotic rushing around the loudmouths of the first couple of days (just look at the voting stats: most votes for Loki, myself, Lommy and even Spm - not the silent ones...).

True. I agree with you. Though not too slip-under-the-radar-people. They really arouse suspicion. Nogrod, you're making a lot more sense today. I hope it is not because Naria, I and some others remarked you acted strangely yesterday and you've decided to be more careful today with hiding your fur or magical powers...

[Sleepy Ranger]

Here I am, finally! Sorry about missing Day 1 but I [unexpectedly] fell ill.
Anyway, a lot seems to have happened so I'm off to see the wiz... I mean read through the thread. See you around folks! Also Cara, take out the trash. Thinlo, brush your teeth. Roa, wheres my dinner?

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Sleepy Ranger

Thinlo, brush your teeth.

Why? Yellow's always been my favourite colour...

Anyway, nice to see you around, daddy. You have quite a read waiting for you.

I am also worried about people who are generally trusted. Though, I maybe shouldn't say anything, since my lorebooks tell a tale of my ancestress who said the village trusted spawn too much, and that spider lady turned out to be a seer. *sigh* I don't trust anyone in this village.

cross-posted with spawn. the old magic of calling one's name and her appearing clearly works...

[Gurthang]

Well, I've got just a short time. I'm being called to run out the door, so...

First, Eomer, I want to agree with you (and do about Lhuna's vote) but for some reason you sound overly eager to make sure that we think you couldn't possibly be a wolf.

I also realized more than ever that we are just shooting in the dark everyday. But I think that we need to remember that two people are going to be wolves from the very start, which could help us later in the game.

Got to go, I'll be back to vote before Day ends.

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

It is a great pity about the Seer not getting a dream in. I seem to remember some talk of the Nights being prolonged if business had not been concluded therein. I take it that no longer applies? I hope the wolves and EW will also be subjected to strict time constraints, that's all.

Prolonging Nights will remain under consideration. Until a decision has been made to go from 24 hours to 36 or 48, any activity that is not achieved (told to the sub-mods/mod) by 6pm EDT, will be considered not to have happened.

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Another question I have, what rules does our great Seal-in-the-Sky intend to apply to non-voters and non-posters?

As has been said before .... (great Seal-in-the-Sky glares at Lalaith) .... with the village so numerous, absent players will be excused by the moderator. The players may of course use absence as a reason for lynching or killing as they wish. As soon as the village is reduced to 12 players, day-long absences will cease to be tolerated and will result in eviction from the game.

Originally Posted by Lalaith

The wolves - there were only two last night and presumably they either came, via their mod, to some arrangement, or the EW picked one of their two choices, or the EW may even have made a few suggestions to them regarding their kill, if such things are permissible.

Please do re-read the rules, and you will see what is and is not permissible, especially in this regard.

Originally Posted by Lalaith

...the J Geils Band....

Praytell what lorebook this reference is from? (Moderator again glares at Lalaith)