WWJ VIII ~ Things That Go "Quack" In The Night

[Anguirel]

Originally Posted by Glirdan's revelation post-his proposed scenarios

1) You lynch me toDay and find out that I am in fact the Seer. You lynch spawn and she's proven the Duck. You then lynch Mith and she's provent to be the final Duck. Village win.

2) Same scenario with the exception that Mith is proven innocent or the Goose. There's still one Duck left.

3) You lynch spawn toDay, she's proven guilty. I dream of Mith toNight and (hopefully) shown that she's the final Duck. We lynch her tomorrow. Village win.

4) Same scenario with the exception that Mith is show to me as innocent or the Goose. Dream (not wholly) wasted. I dream a useless dream and get attacked the next Night. Still one Duck left.

I'm being truthful, and I'm sorry if that entails being disagreeable.

In scenario 1, we would not have discovered your Seership on lynching you.

In scenario 2, Mith would not be proven, on being lynched, to be a Goose.

Scenario 3 happened, but, so far as dreaming of Mith goes, you didn't actually dream at all.

In scenario 4, Mith again would not be shown as a Goose.

Your recent comment about dreaming of her seemed to confirm that you hadn't grasped the concept yet. I was trying to help...

Still, if you're really insulted, why don't you leave the village in protest? Seems to be a popular course of action at the moment...

Gentlemen and ladies of our esteemed quorum, I put it to you that what we are dealing with is a very confused Goose. How confused exactly we can't yet tell. I say we find the Duck and then this poor Goose can be given psychiatric help or eaten for Sunday lunch.

[The Saucepan Man]

Apologies to one and all for my late appearance. When I tried to make it to the village square earlier, I had problems getting here. And then I had to pop out to the shops to get something for the Orcling boy's birthday.

I had imagined, when the web-footed spawn was revealed in all her awful Duckishness, that things would be fairly straightforward today. I was all for lynching Mithalwen, for I thought her either a Duck or the Goose. But reviewing the Day's events thus far, and thinking more deeply on it, I see that it is not nearly so simple as that.

Last night, before we knew spawn's nature, my inclination was to trust Mith, for her Owlish revelation seemed far more credible than Glirdan's. Strangely enough, that remains the case. Mithalwen has seemed entirely reasonable today and at least dreamed of someone, even if she is unwilling to reveal their identity (Mith, I think that you should). Glirdan, on the other hand, is jumpy, defensive and sensitive, and he doesn't even have a dream to offer us.

One thing I am almost certain about, now. Neither of them is the remaining Duck. One is the Owl and the other, I am sure, is the Goose. So, were we to lynch either of them today, we would be none the wiser tomorrow. I think, therefore, that our best bet would be to look elsewhere today.

At present, I most distrust mormegil (who was looking to be in serious danger yesterday before Glirdan's "revelation") and JennyHallu (who was rather to eager to accept Glirdan and dis Mithalwen). But I will go back and review what has been said in more detail and come back, I hope, with some further thoughts.

[Anguirel]

Most sensible Sauce-and Goose Glirdan has unwittingly served our purposes. Since the Nightingale probably guarded him last night, they ought to be be free tonight to allow Mith another dream, should we all get things wrong today.

I am still awaiting Mith's information though and certainly hope to be armed with it before I vote.

[Valier]

I'm telling you all I am no Duck, so please don't waste a dream on me! I am surprised to hear the accusations about me today and it sucks that Glirdan was unable to get in a dream on time. I won't be around much today, but I will check in from time to time and I will definately vote. Please don't lynch me! I want to find the last Duck, but todays posts are again confusing! I will be back later....

[Anguirel]

You may not be a Duck, Valier, but you're definitely a turkey if you're still taken in by Glirdan...

Any further analysis coming up Saucie, or are you waiting on Mith like me?

[Valier]

Glirdan still may be a Duck in my opinion! Kinda convienient he didn't dream......Mith who did you dream of then?

[Mithalwen]

I dreamed of Anguirel who is innocent. I started reading through the posts then RL time rather than game time caught up with me and I chose Ang since Morm had begged me not to dream of him. He seemed to understand and I had to be certain I could trust him if my part in the game went on. I had thought of Roa as you know but it seemed likely she was pulling out and I reckoned it would be a waste. I waited since I didn't want to expose him unnecessarily. It seemed that the innocent villagers would not believe me but the Duck would know I was telling the truth

[Mithalwen]

Note re timing.

It has been clear from get go when I can post. I am sure that has played into some people's hands. We have seen the consequences of not voting.

It was pretty late for me when I "came out" and as I said the Pan Man's clear suspicion was the clincher. Be honest with yourselves and see if you really htink you wouldn't have followed his lead had I gone without speaking? You had wasted nearly 2 days on me - if SpM and Spawn had started a bandwagon , I really doubt many would have gone against it.


Glirdan is looking very dodgy now to me.

[Nogrod]

I'm coming more and more convinced about my earlier speculation about Glirdy as a liar. Now an ordo would not lie, in that manner? So a goose (tumbling one) or a duck (stupid one)? I'd go for the first option, knowing he is an intelligent guy.

Ang has seemed very reasonable today - as has Spm. And all this is going to gather some clouds over Morm. I have had my suspicions on him after his list on Nilp-vote on, and can't see them to have disappeared for now. So if we are after a duck, we should look at him as one of the candidates. His begging for Mith a to not "waste" her dream on him seem to me especially noteworthy. It could be seen as an altruistic villager saying "don't bother for me", but it could also be duckish indeed... as no duck would want to be dreamed of.

EDIT: X-posted with a bunch of people...

[Anguirel]

Ah. That's what I feared you'd done. Well, that means my options aren't helped that much more. Well done though Mith, this new correct claim further butresses the truth in your words.

I'll be back for some serious deduction after I've revised a few Horace poems-the Classics seem to be a useful occupation from a birdcatcher wishing to tell an Owl from a Duck! Within that time, with any luck, the Hawk will come forward with whatever they know.

[Anguirel]

Before I leave, a quick summary for you all of what I think/we know of the remaining players-

Anguirel-Innocent
Mithalwen-Owl
Saucepan Man-Innocent
Mormegil-I'm inclined to think he's innocent, despite everything. Unknown
Valier-Unknown; I suspect her slightly
Nogrod-Innocent
Kath-Unknown; I suspect her very little but she's kept on my good side for some reason
Cailín-Unknown; I suspect her quite strongly
Glirdan-Goose
Lote22-Very likely innocent, but officially Unknown
JennyHallu-Extremely suspicious; Unknown

[Mithalwen]

I am not saying that a second owl is the secret, but you have to remember that like poor Lucy in The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, I have the advantage of knowing I am telling hte truth about myself.

If you reflect you will seen that though I am a rather erratic, and eccentric character I have behaved consistently with what I say I am. It doesn't mean I am right about things I don't know..... but what I know I have been truthful about. And now I am turning into Donald Rumsfeld....."The known knowns etc"

[Glirdan]

Well, everything is still flying around. God, you know what, I give up with you people!! It's absolutely impossible for me to get through to you! Like I said, you want to lynch me, be me guest!!!! I'm over this!! You want to loose your Owl, go right ahead. I completely give up with all of you. Nogrod, Lote, Valier you three are probably the only three I really have any faith in now. I'm not leaving though. That would just be the quitters way out and I'm not a quitter. Oh, Ang, before you go attacking those who drop out, have you ever even stopped to consider that they have problems going on? Did you? I'm sorry for being the way I normally am and being defensive! I thought by now that all of you would have gotten used to this! But noooo!! Be my guest and lynch me. You'll all be sorry when you do. Now, I will stay, and I know this seems very kiddish, but I have no patience for any of you (with the exception of Valier, Nogrod and Lote), but I will only talk to those three. I'm not having a good week. And be careful of what you say. I'm in a VERY vindictive mood right now.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Glirdan

but I will only talk to those three. I'm not having a good week. And be careful of what you say. I'm in a VERY vindictive mood right now.

If that is how it is going to be - I would rather Diamond pulled the game. This is ridiculous. There is a limit to what I will put up with and I have to say it has got close a number of times.

[Kath]

Well, Glirdan is certainly mkaing himself look suspicious! Very defensive, and a missed dream? More than ever now I believe him to be the Goose, or at least a very misguided innocent. Thank you Ang for pointing out all those inconsistencies in his arguments, though I think perhaps that they are more likely to show him as an innocent than the Goose, as surely if he were the Goose he would understand the way the role works?

What does worry me though is the number of people popping in just to say 'I'm not a Duck so don't waste your lynch on me'. Those who do this are naturally suspect to me.

In fact, about the only people I think innocent right now are:
SPM - because whether Mith or Glirdan is the Owl he has been proved so.
Mith - because I believe her to be the Owl.
Ang - because he seems to be on the exact same wavelength as me.

Those I think suspicious are:
Glirdan - I think he is either the Goose or an innocent causing havoc.
morm - mostly due to Ang.

Mith, I would strongly urge you to reveal who you dreamt of, as we have a very low number of known innocents, and it is hard to makes plans for what to do in future days if we lose you toNight if we don't know who we can trust. However, your role your rules. We'll just have to live with it.