WWJ VIII ~ Things That Go "Quack" In The Night

[Anguirel]

I don't believe Diamond would include such a heavy-handed secret as two Owls, Mith. Look at her rhyme-it mentions one Owl and one Secret.

If you ask me the secret is of an "Ooo that's clever Diamond!" variety rather than a "What in Hades have you done to this poor inoffensive village" variety. It is therefore unlikely to be two Owls. Perhaps Diamond could even confirm.

I still trust Mith though...I just think Glirdan is malevolent, but incompetent. Though surely not to the level of being the last Duck.

As a result I trust Nogrod as well as Sauce; well, I did anyway, actually. I'm disappointed that morm apparently remains unknown.

Of the quieter ones Jenny and Valier are both attracting my suspicion for the eagerness with which they jumped against Mith and for Glirdan, though obviously they're not both guilty...

EDIT: The one advantage of all these fleeing villagers-Roa and Sleepy-is that, knowing their innocence, (I assume Sleepy's innocent?) we can examine their attackers and defenders with extra information.

[Diamond18]

I can neither confirm nor deny anything.

Except that Sleepy is no longer in the game. I would post a more in-character departure for him than this, but I'm already late for work anyway. So you should consider Sleepy as no longer amongst you and I'll update the list at Day's end.

EDIT: Yes, Sleepy was innocent.

[Nogrod]

I agree with Ang that the scenario of two seer's (or one true, one false) would be quite drastic. Even though Diamond didn't confirm that query.

But think about this. If you come forwards with an Owl-claim on DAY2, you need two dreams too - and they should be right. Now as I know my ordoness in this game, I know she was right in one of the two - and I tend to believe her on Spm too. But how about Glirdy? He gave us a duck (it takes a duck to no another... ), but his other revealment? Spm, already revealed by Mith!!! That would be safe-play by a duck trying to look like an owl and to go to the end of the game (he cuold go on revealing anyone he likes from the point of Miths death onwards, because he is the only duck around - and we would just think Mith's ordoness being goosyness).

That's the only reasonable scenario I can come up with at present.

I'm having a busy day, but try to come in later on with more thoughts - if I get some...

And I'm so sad that Roa eventually decided to leave - and Sleepy too. And Cailin out for two days? Hmmmm...

[Anguirel]

Mith, I for one-regarding you as I do as the one, the true, the indivisible Owl-would really like to see who you proved innocent last night. With the help of that information, and the unknown Hawk's-who also knows, probably, who was guarded on the second Night-we could start really narrowing the pool of possible ducks. Depending on whether the Hawk believes in you and wants to make themself known, I suppose.

The point Nogrod has just made-that Glirdan conveniently "revealed" Sauce-is one I had thought of before as more evidence against him.

[JennyHallu]

Um...I have errands to run so not much time until later...but I wanted to say one brief thing in my defense: I came home from work yesterday (sick) to read 5 pages of confusion, and I totally missed that Glirdy dreamed of SPM too. Major oops there. So, Saucie, I'm sorry. You're innocent. I admit it.

Part of the reason I trust Glirdan over Mith was that confusion. I don't think enough people had voted for Mith for an Owly revelation to be necessary. And Glirdy felt like a breath of fresh air.

[Anguirel]

That's rather nonsensical. When Mith made her revelation, it wasn't really voting time yet, but opinion was definitely swinging against her. Had she not declared herself, two voting blocs, for her and for Spawn, would probably have developed. As it was, attention shifted to my, frankly rather bizarre, case against morm, who would surely have been lynched had it not been for Glirdan's appearance.

I and many others were considering voting for Mith, including Cailin, Sauce and naturally spawn. You ought to consider what might have happened as much as what did happen.

Sauce, since I now have no choice but to admit your innocence, as Glirdan is firmly a Goose in my mind, I am going to go back and investigate your famous "birdlime" plan...and try and see what on earth you were up to.

[Glirdan]

Well.....this is a shocking way to come in....Roa gone, Lalaith dead and Sleepy departing.....not good....and to top it all off (and this is going to get me into a LOT of trouble [don't kill me!! I had RL reasons for not doing it!!! ]) I didn't have a dream last Night.... (OCC - I came on briefly after school and then had to leave after that for the rest of the day. I didn't come back until after the Day started and before that, I had school and bed. I had no chance whatsoever(sp?) of getting my Dream in) I probably would have dreamed of Lalaith if I had the chance to and that would have been a wasted dream as well as putting me in a worse situation. This is not good......

Mith, after reading your posts, I'm quite bewildered. As Ang says, it's highly unlikely that our Moddess would have included something as drastic as another Seer....but, when I think about it, it's not entirely surprising.... and if it is true, well.... but we have no way of finding out now unless we dream of each other. But what's the point in that? If you aren't the Duck, and I most certainly know that I'm not the Duck, the real Duck is going to go after one of us toNight and, unfortunately for you and me, I have a feeling that he's going to go after you toNight which puts me in a bad spot tomorrow. But if he goes for me, then it puts you in a bad spot tomorrow unless you are guilty.

Ang, I have nothing at all to say to you. You confuse me. You really do. You were the one of the other people I was considering of dreaming about. It was either going to be yourself, Lalaith or Valier because I don't trust any of you. Lalaith would have been a useless dream as she is now dead. But now, I'm more convinced that you, along with SpM (proven either way by Mith or myself), Nogrod, morm (these two simply because of the way they're posting), Lote (because of her Day 1 vote) and a now departed Sleepy. But you still confuse me, even if I believe you innocent.

Nogrod, I was wondering when someone was going to come up with the revelation of SpM. And I knew when I revealed myself that it would put me in a bad spot once again. I knew of all the dangers that I was putting myself in when I revealed myself, yet I still did it. If I were a Duck, why would I be so stupid as to do something like this and get my fellow Duck killed? Especially when it probably wouldn't have been planned! Why would I betray a fellow Duck? I see no logic in this.

[mormegil]

If I were a Duck, why would I be so stupid as to do something like this and get my fellow Duck killed? Especially when it probably wouldn't have been planned! Why would I betray a fellow Duck? I see no logic in this.

Stupid? Nay, it would be superbly intelligent to do. It gives you credibility as our owl and if we were to kill Mith and all she would do is show up as an ordo, you would be thought of as our owl. Now that fact that you didn't have a dream last night is frightfully suspicious the only thing worse would be to say that you dreamt of Lal, but you took that even a step further and said that you would have dreamt of her. I find it dubious that you couldn't find 5 minutes with which to make your dream. You had a good plan but it unraveled by your idea to not dream. Still if he is the true owl I'd hate to do the duck's job for him/her.

Mith, of whom did you dream?

[Glirdan]

I knew this was going to happen... but what could I have done? Come up with a complete lie and say I dreamed of someone? No, I'm not that kind of person. Besides, I'm pretty sure at least one person out there would have asked who I would have dreamed of. I was debating on who to Dream of. Yes, Lalaith was at the top of my list, but Valier was really high up there to. The only reason why I chose Lalaith is because of her past as is the case with Ang. Valier was actually pushing herself up on the list past Lalaith and when I think back on it, it was actually a tie of who I was going to dream of. Like I said morm, I knew the circumstances that could possibly arise when I revealed myself.

But yes, who did you dream of Mith? You failed to mention that when you first came on.

[Anguirel]

I think it might be helpful to summarise the politics involved before and after both Owl revelations.

Before Mith's revelation

For Mith

Mith herself
Morm, to a degree

Against Mith

Spawn
Me to a degree
Roa
Cailin to a degree
Kath to a degree
Sleepy
Sauce


After Mith's revelation

For Mith

Mith
Kath
Me
Cailin
Sauce, to a degree
Valier (Note that Valier suspected Spawn most at this stage...)
Nogrod
Lote...well you get the idea. No real need for an "Against Mith"


After Glirdan's revelation

For Glirdan

Glirdan
Valier
Nogrod, to a degree
Lote
Jenny

Against Glirdan

Kath
Lalaith
Sauce

There we go. Mith's declaration was necessary to save her, quite clearly. Equally, a large minority resisted Glirdan until dead Spawn threw us all into turmoil. Interesting.