Tol-in-Gaurhoth XX: Wereorc I: The elves cannot hide themselves much longer.

[Caranlondien]

Celuien certainly looks suspicious. She isn't here, is she? I'd like to hear a defense from her...

Originally Posted by Nogrod

(Celuien's) list has no Jenny

Would an orcish Celuien really be so bold, as to leave out one of her compatriots?

My main question is, why is Celuien still alive? (Of course, I remember what happened the last time I asked that question...) Still, if the orcs thought they knew who the Shaman was, wouldn't they go for her (or him)? And, if they thought Zali might get in their way, wouldn't it be better to kill her, too, than to go on like this, trying to cast suspicion on her?

My head hurts from the confusion... Darn you, orcs!

EDIT: incorrectly gendered pronoun; sorry, Celuien!

[Caranlondien]

I'm beginning to think that either Zali or Celuien is an orc. The orcs' kills just don't make sense to me...

[Caranlondien]

Here's the post I was working on when Nogrod posted his analysis of Celuien.

Caranlondien: aspiring harpist
Nogrod: unemployed barber.
Grendelien: village whittler
Findëasëa: paleoelfropologist
Celuien:lampwright
Zali: stringer-of-bows
Naria:The grower of magnificent flowers
Sleepy: A barrel of apples
Roa_Aoife: aspiring ballad writer

I know I'm innocent. I believe the dreams about Nogrod and Sleepy. So the suspects left (for me, at least) are Grendelien, Findëasëa, Celuien, Zali, Naria, and Roa.

Grendelien - It's true that she's playing quite insightfully for a newbie. As I said before, I was once suspected for the same thing, and I was innocent. However, that doesn't mean she is. Now that Nogrod's a confirmed innocent, it does make her attack on him look rather worse, though she's toned that down somewhat.

Findëasëa - As I said earlier, I have a hard time seeing her as anything but a newbie right now, although I'm (of course) still uncertain of her innocence.

Celuien – (See previous posts)

Zali - I just don't see her as bluffing. Unless someone else comes out and says they're the Ranger, I'll believe her.

Naria - She's quiet, doesn't seem to be around much, but when she is, she's quick and to the point. It makes me nervous, but I haven't found anything tangible against her.

Roa - She's been on my suspect list for a while now, and I may end up voting for her. I just need time to digest Nogrod's analysis.

EDIT: cross-posted with Nogrod

[Caranlondien]

Ha, I forgot to go back and change what I said about Zali; I'm still more inclined to believe her innocent, and to suspect Celuien.

[Sleepy Ranger]

I just woke up, its 1am, I see this and something springs into my head. I'll post it and go back to bed so if its flawed then please excuse me.

Last Two Orcs: Grendelien and Naria

This is very short and based entirely on one point, make of it what you will. Naria dreamed of Nogrod, told orc-friend Grendelien. Grendelien immediatly backs off Nogrod.

A bit lame and farfetched but chew on it, toy around, maybe someone can pick something up from here? I won't stop you from voting Roa but in my opinion shes done no wrong.

EDIT: Cross-posted with Nogrod.

[Caranlondien]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I myself would be careful with that one too. Remember it was not "my attack", but what came about, as I tried to look at her as an orc... It might be of note, that the one doing such an analysis is innocent, but anyhow, I'm not sure it makes the case worse as such (ok., if she'd be someone's fellow-orc, that analyser might have used some sugary words about her, but from that s/he would have been caught immediately...).

Good point.

I've been going back over Celuien's posts, and my initial paranoia is calming down a bit. I certainly wouldn't vote for her toDay if she doesn't come back to defend herself (for obvious reasons). This day is lasting an hour later than usual, right? I need to go back over some posts before voting...

I'm still considering voting for Grendelien, Roa, or Naria.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Caranlondien

Good point.

I've been going back over Celuien's posts, and my initial paranoia is calming down a bit. I certainly wouldn't vote for her toDay if she doesn't come back to defend herself (for obvious reasons). This day is lasting an hour later than usual, right? I need to go back over some posts before voting...

I'm still considering voting for Grendelien, Roa, or Naria.

I'm thinking about the same concerning Celuien - and some nuts to crack for the orcs too - if she be innocent...

And yes, I just checked the same myself: one more hour today - so 1½ hours to go.

I'll go back to my Findëasëa-stuff. Interesting...

EDIT: X-posted with Roa

[Roa_Aoife]

I don't know, Nogrod. That list by Celuien may have just been a mistake, typed out by a tired (or otherwise preoccupied) mind. I wish she would have explained her vote for me better though. I dislike unexplained votes, especially from people who normally have very good explanations. The accused can't really answer them, because no suspicions have been listed. This village has gotten into a bad habit of that lately. I blame last minute voting, really. (Honestly people, yesterDay was just rediculous. Poor Farael having to write up that last minute death scene...) I won't press her untill she's present though. It's really unfair to attack people who you know won't be around to defend themselves.

edit: cross posted with a lot....

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Caranlondien

Grendelien - It's true that she's playing quite insightfully for a newbie. As I said before, I was once suspected for the same thing, and I was innocent. However, that doesn't mean she is. Now that Nogrod's a confirmed innocent, it does make her attack on him look rather worse, though she's toned that down somewhat.

I myself would be careful with that one too. Remember it was not "my attack", but what came about, as I tried to look at her as an orc... It might be of note, that the one doing such an analysis is innocent, but anyhow, I'm not sure it makes the case worse as such (ok., if she'd be someone's fellow-orc, that analyser might have used some sugary words about her, but from that s/he would have been caught immediately...).

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Caranlondien

Celuien certainly looks suspicious.

My main question is, why is Celuien still alive? (Of course, I remember what happened the last time I asked that question...) Still, if the orcs thought they knew who the Shaman was, wouldn't they go for her (or him)? And, if they thought Zali might get in their way, wouldn't it be better to kill her, too, than to go on like this, trying to cast suspicion on her?

Certainly looks so. But that's what happens, when you look at people that way...

But I'm also beginning to see the point of your main question better than earlier.

First I thought, that the orcs believed, they had nailed the shaman, and just decided to divert the ranger first (if she could come in between - they surely had sore memories about that), at the same time making her look very suspicious indeed - maybe hoping we would kill her ourselves. And Diamond was a good kill from the orc point of view, and probably safe for them (no rangering to meddle with it).

But really: they risked one more dream with that move too!!! It turned out a dream of me, but it could have turned out a dream of an orc! That would be both bold and confident, to almost being irresponsible orcseying...? How to explain this?

EDIT: X-posted with Caran...