Tol-in-Gaurhoth XX: Wereorc I: The elves cannot hide themselves much longer.

[Findëasëa]

Sleepy:

And this proves what? Maybe JennyHallu left that one orc off the list to throw you off. Have you thought about that?

Yes, I had thought of that. Like I said before, I am just trying to use my instincts about what she might have thought to do before she died to guide my theory. I think that any theory that a person might present is subject to different interpretations. I understand you do not agree with my interpretations . I just feel that in this situation Jenny was trying to throw us off by implying that all of the people on that list were innocents. I feel this is more plausible than presenting a list of innocents in the manner she did.

[Findëasëa]

Roa:

Your reasoning here is critically flawed. If you look at the bolded sections, you have completely contradicted yourself. First, you say that it's clever, then you say it's desperate, then you fail to take into account one very large possibility: Let me explain:

Because of how the dreams work, anyone, including an orc, can recieve a dream. It's not that I think Nogrod is lying about having a dream of an innocent Sleepy. I do not, however, think that means he can't be an orc. The move is far from desperate, and is infact quite a clever one, if it is true. You have continually ignored this possibilty. This looks a great deal like one orc trying to cover for another, and I find it disturbing.

I did not contradict myself. I said it could be a clever ploy outside of the context of the situation that occurred the night before. When I categorize his actions as being desperate I was explaining that in the context of the suspicion that he fell under the evening before, it would be a desperate move to try to win the trust of the other villagers in this very transparent way. This does not seem to suit his style.

I completely understand that he could be an orc that had a dream about sleepy. That is exactly what I am taking into account in the post that you commented on. I am saying that I do not think that it would be likely that he is an orc trying to pass as an innocent by revealing the dream. It would be a transparent act.

[Roa_Aoife]

Obviously it isn't that transparent. You seem to be ready to accept it.

[Findëasëa]

Obviously it isn't that transparent. You seem to be ready to accept it.

My belief in his innocence does not stem from the fact that he revealed the dream, but from the context in which he revealed his dream. Upon analysing the situation I found that it seemed like a bad ploy for Nogrod to, after drawing so much suspicion, draw yet more by coming out with a dream.

[Roa_Aoife]

Originally Posted by Findëasëa

My belief in his innocence does not stem from the fact that he revealed the dream, but from the context in which he revealed his dream. Upon analysing the situation I found that it seemed like a bad ploy for Nogrod to, after drawing so much suspicion, draw yet more by coming out with a dream.

I don't see how coming out with a dream draws suspicion. It would seem to do quite the opposite. Afterall, I do not suspect Nogrod for the dream, I simply refuse to let it rule him out as a suspect. The fact that you seem so quick to dismiss him is rather disturbing.

[Caranlondien]

Originally Posted by Find

My belief in his innocence does not stem from the fact that he revealed the dream, but from the context in which he revealed his dream. Upon analysing the situation I found that it seemed like a bad ploy for Nogrod to, after drawing so much suspicion, draw yet more by coming out with a dream.

Ah, but perhaps an orcish Nogrod might have known the context of his situation would point in his favor...

[Sleepy Ranger]

At the moment Finde seems to be very flimsy to me. That could very be due to having so much to answer to however Grend doesn't really strike to me as innocent either. I wish double-lynchings were there...

Ahem, anyway, I'll probably be voting for Finde, Grend or Naria again. (The latter only if the other two can get up a very good defense for themselves) I'd like to see Nogrod post a bit more since I've grown a bit suspicious of him. Hes singing the same song we are does he have the same tune?

Is it just me or does Finde seem a bit confused?