Tol-in-Gaurhoth XX: Wereorc I: The elves cannot hide themselves much longer.

[Nogrod]

I cross-posted with many.

Just two comments, then I have to see the posts better and think of my vote.

Kitanna: Roa is right, this won't help us as a village - and as a bluff it's very bad. Shame on you...

Grendelien: As I said, I'm inclined to believe your innocence, and am more so now (even there seems to be no real reason for it). I hope we both are alive tomorrow - and there is one orc less to deal with. But we should try each other, to see, whether we can trust. That's what the villagers need - the orcs know the situation, we must build the bridges without PM's or outside knowledge...

[Grendelien]

Haha, Nogrod, every post you make me very nervous...your posts strengthen the chance of your being innocent or your being an orc, and very, very good one at that. I cannot shake the notion that you are trying (as an orc) to develop bonds with ordinary villagers. You already have Sleepy's trust, because you revealed his innocence, which I believe to be true. Could it be you are just trying to get to me next? I am willing to see you try to support your innocence and, if you really are innocent, to try to come to the realization that I am innocent as well. I can't waste anymore time! I must vote soon.

[Folwren]

The night was extremely still. Very still. The stars twinkled overhead in a nonchalant manner very different from the skulking figures below. "Come along, you stinking maggot," hissed one of the figures (the orcs lost their manners after sundown), "we don't have all night. That ranger might come around before we even begin the job at the rate you're going!"

The night was too clear and too peaceful for the work that lay ahead, but they didn't care or notice. The door of their victim's house was closed and bolted from within, but these orcs didn't care or notice that, either. . .

~~~

The elves gathered together in the town square, shivering in the cold, clear morning. No one said anything for a minute as everyone's eyes scanned everyone else. . .once, and then twice. . .and then, in some cases, thrice.

Nogrod: We're not all here.

Grendelian: Yes, thank you for pointing it out. He pulled out his knife as he spoke and before Nogrod could voice his fear that Grendelian was threatening him, he began to whittle a stick held in his other hand.

Zali:(faintly) I didn't think. . .

Roa_Aoife: Why didn't you save her?

Naria: She didn't know. Said very softly and barely loud enough to be heard.

Celuien: Poor Diamond.

Findëasëa: Well, let's go see what happened.

The villagers all turned and walked towards Diamond's house. As they drew near, they saw all the front windows on the first floor shattered and smashed in. The door was still closed and bolted. Roa offered to go in and unbolt the door, and the others didn't argue. In another moment, the way was opened and everyone trooped in. Silently they searched the equally silent house. A scream brought all of them running to a room towards the back of the place. Caranlondien stood in the middle of a room with no windows. Her hand was over her mouth and she looked ready to faint. When she saw the others, she pointed with a shaking hand at the corpse of their jewel smith.

The others stole forward, as though frightened that the dead might not be as dead as she looked and might leap up, full of unlively life. Celuien bent and picked up a maltreated and misformed stone from the ground. It was a diamond.

Sleepy: Looks like the orcs simply scared her to death. No wounds or anything.

Celuien didn't look up as she gently placed the stone on the desk before the dead jeweler. "Poor Diamond," she said for the second time that morning, and no one knew if she referred to the jewel or to their dead villager.


Now living:
Caranlondien: aspiring harpist
Nogrod: unemployed barber.
Grendelien: village whittler
Findëasëa: paleoelfropologist
Celuien:lampwright
Zali: stringer-of-bows
Naria:The grower of magnificent flowers
Sleepy A barrel of apples
Roa_Aoife aspiring ballad writer

Now dead:
FaraelMod: He dyed… erm I mean died.
GlirdanRepentant werewolf : Choked on an apple. No wonder why werewolves are carnivores.
JennyHalluWereorc: Escaped the village, but could not escape the laws of physics.
Dancing Spawn...: Just a merchant: Trapped on a deathly spider’s web.
Kitanna:The town's gate-keeper: Had a lobotomy performed by an angry woodpecker.
Legolas in spandex: Legolass (A movie-Legolas impersonator): Overwhelmed and or frightened into leaving the village after seeing what had happened to Kitanna
Diamond18: Simply a normal, very bad stone cutter - scared to death by orcs

[Celuien]

*pinches self*

Still alive. I didn't expect that at all. I really thought that either Zali or I would be toast last night. Still, it's good to be here.

Poor Diamond indeed. What puzzles me is why Diamond? I'll have to reread her analyses from yesterday, again on the basis of what could she have been right about to get herself killed.

More later...

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Wow.

Wow.

And just again, in case I forgot.

Wow.

I never would have expected the Orcs to go after Diamond: She drew enough suspicion to herself that I had marked her as innocent, but not at risk--Orcs tend to keep people that draw suspicion to themselves around, since it's easier to hide that way.

It gives me pause--Are the orcs operating under some master plan, or are they just really lost without Jenny?

I guess that today, we are supposed to wonder about the innocence of Sleepy, Nogrod, and perhaps even myself.

By waking up this Day, I recognize that all three of us draw some suspicion: Is Nogrod working with Sleepy? Am I an orc hiding under a disguise as a ranger?

I am honestly very surprised at both who the orcs picked, and by the fact that I am still alive enough to be surprised.

This calls for a reworking of my suspicions. I'll be back later.

[Findëasëa]

Hmm that’s interesting. Strange that they would choose Diamond who was under so much suspicion early on in the game. Maybe they figured that Jenny’s attack made her look innocent so decided to get rid of her. The fact that the ranger is still in the picture could factor into why they might not have chosen someone more obvious. I guess we will need to deal with the question toDay of why Azaelia is still alive. I personally still believe that she is innocent, for reasons that I listed in previous posts. It could be a tactic by the wereorcs to get us to question her loyalty. Even though I believe she is innocent, it is probably something we should discuss.

[Findëasëa]

I also wanted to clear something up about my vote yesterDay.

me:
Roa always acts the ‘helpful innocent.’ I am not sure if this is her usual approach, it just seems like a clever way to say a lot without contributing or giving away her opinions.

Roa:
It is my usual approach (some people here can vouch for that) and I was under the impression that I was contributing and stating opinions quite a bit.

Roa: I should have phrased my post a lot better. I didn’t mean that you do not contribute or state your opinions, but that your apparent helpfulness might be a distraction from giving away actual opinions which might put you in a guilty light. Hmm… I still feel like what I am trying to say is not coming out right. The best way I can think to phrase what I mean is that the root of your contributions is not exactly clear to me.

I am sorry if I called you suspicious falsely, but I just didn’t want to risk not saying anything in case my feeling was right.

[Celuien]

Looking briefly at Diamond's posts, here top suspects from yesterday were:
Kitanna
Naria
Legolas in spandex

At the end of yesterday's voting/auto-eviction, only Naria remained alive. If Diamond's suspect list was a factor in her selection, that either means Naria is an Orc who killed Diamond to protect herself, or that Naria is innocent and Diamond was killed to start a lynch Naria bandwagon.

Naria doesn't seem to be a bold sort. So I don't think she would have gone for a suspicion causing bluff (look at me! I can't be an Orc if Diamond was killed - it brings to much suspicion on me) as an Orc by killing Diamond. For that reason, I think Diamond's death points to Naria's innocence.

Caranlondien: aspiring harpist
Nogrod: unemployed barber.
Grendelien: village whittler
Findëasëa: paleoelfropologist
Celuien:lampwright
Zali: stringer-of-bows
Naria:The grower of magnificent flowers
Sleepy: A barrel of apples
Roa_Aoife: aspiring ballad writer

(Apparently confirmed innocents underlined.)

I know that I'm no Orc. So the last two Orcs are to be found among Caran, Nogrod, Grendelien, Findeasea, Naria or Roa. We have a 1/3 chance of catching an Orc today.

What I'm wondering is if it's worth revealing more dreams today. There are still two unrevealed dreams out there. If those dreams are of villagers in that group, then we would improve our Orc catching chances to 50/50. Or would it be better to wait until tomorrow? If we're wrong today and lynch an innocent, we start tomorrow at 5:2 for villagers, so tomorrow is when it's critical that we lynch an Orc.

Of course, our number of unknowns could increase overnight too if Zali or a dreamed-of villager dies. It's up to you who received dreams to decide, I guess.

What does everyone think of this?

[Celuien]

Originally Posted by Celuien

I know that I'm no Orc. So the last two Orcs are to be found among Caran, Nogrod, Grendelien, Findeasea, Naria or Roa. We have a 1/3 chance of catching an Orc today.

Or to clarify, I have a 1/3 chance of catching an Orc, as do the other 4 innocents in that group. The rest of you have a 2/7 chance, which is close enough to 1/3.

[Caranlondien]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

In #173 She comes up with the idea, that me and Celuien are at odds concerning the quiet-ones – which clearly is not the case. Why did she make such a lie? Still, she continues, that I have made good points on my behalf.

A "lie"? I assure you, if and when I get the role of orc (or wolf), I will not be so stupid as to use lies to sway to village. That statement was an honest mistake. I thought I had read Celuien saying that she disagreed with you. As for my vote for you based on admittedly little reasoning, it's because WE HAVE NO STAND-OUT SUSPECTS! We talk and talk, but it's all paranoia and little stabs at people here and there. Nothing concrete. I've honestly seen very little in the way of good ideas recently, and I've been frustrated with that. A girl's gotta vote for someone, eh?

[Farael]

TheThe voting closes in 15 minutes. Given that I let Legolas IS's non-vote go I will give you all a freebie. But two unexplained no-votes will mean your death.










In-game, of course.

[Nogrod]

= Grendelien
I cannot shake the notion that you are trying (as an orc) to develop bonds with ordinary villagers. You already have Sleepy's trust, because you revealed his innocence, which I believe to be true. Could it be you are just trying to get to me next? I am willing to see you try to support your innocence and, if you really are innocent, to try to come to the realization that I am innocent as well.

Welcome to the WW-game...

But really. You may not know, but this is not the first time Sleepy is trusting me with more than suspicious levels... I can't say anything else, but I hope you trust the arguments - we have nothing else to play wisely.

Originally Posted by Caranlondien

A "lie"? I assure you, if and when I get the role of orc (or wolf), I will not be so stupid as to use lies to sway to village. That statement was an honest mistake. I thought I had read Celuien saying that she disagreed with you. As for my vote for you based on admittedly little reasoning, it's because WE HAVE NO STAND-OUT SUSPECTS! We talk and talk, but it's all paranoia and little stabs at people here and there. Nothing concrete. I've honestly seen very little in the way of good ideas recently, and I've been frustrated with that. A girl's gotta vote for someone, eh?

Please forgive me my playing the "advocate". I just thought we should see something new for a while (all the people have just talked of me, Roa, Diamond etc...).

Tomorrow, those of us alive, will be much wiser, and we can get to this conversation again? At least I hope, I will be part of it.

[Nogrod]

How many of us here? If just Caran, Grend and me, we have no chances to avoid Kitanna being lynched... I'm not sure she is an orc, but on my suspicion list, she stands quite high anyhow (the suicide thing got me thinking - I admit).

[Grendelien]

Does Findeasea have yet to vote as well?

[Findëasëa]

I have not voted yet.

[Findëasëa]

Hmm… lots of votes for Kitanna. I am not sure what I think of her, so I will not be joining in this trend. As I described earlier toDay, I think that it is highly plausible that Jenny was very careful in the wording of her last bunch of posts. Of the four people that she mentioned as dangerous I believe at least one is a wereorc. I ruled out Spawn, for obvious reasons, and Nogrod, for reasons mentioned in my earlier post. I was left suspecting Diamond and Roa. Upon further consideration, Diamond seems a lot less suspicious. She was attacked by at least one confirmed orc the first day. This does not seem to be a logical tactic, as this attack nearly resulted in Diamond’s demise. Roa is the only person left of the four listed. I hope that I am not limiting myself meaninglessly to these four, but I feel that it would be sloppy of me not to follow my logic in this case.
Roa always acts the ‘helpful innocent.’ I am not sure if this is her usual approach, it just seems like a clever way to say a lot without contributing or giving away her opinions. I vote for Roa, not necessarily because I am convinced of her guilt, but because she is the strongest suspect that I have at this time.
++Roa_Aoife

[Roa_Aoife]

Roa always acts the ‘helpful innocent.’ I am not sure if this is her usual approach, it just seems like a clever way to say a lot without contributing or giving away her opinions.

It is my usual approach (some people here can vouch for that) and I was under the impression that I was contributing and stating opinions quite a bit.

[Caranlondien]

I'm sorry but I have to leave. I don't know who else to vote for.

++Naria

EDIT: Cross-posted... unfortunately... with Findeasea

[Grendelien]

I'm sorry, Nogrod, but I just can't shake this suspicion yet. If you are innocent, I really, really hope you survive, which looks like might happen. I do not mean to be deceitful by saying that I will eventually give you a chance if you survive. There is this overwhelming feeling that I can't shake just yet. For now, I have to do what I feel is right at this moment. I'm sorry if you are innocent.

++Nogrod

[Nogrod]

Well, there seems to be no point in voting right now. Kitanna is dead, and that's it.

So as my vote will be of no consequence, I might just show my contempt to the way Legolas iS has played (she will be dead also?), newvie as she is... Sorry Legolas. Come again, but try to play too!

++ Legolas in Spandex

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Grendelien

Does Findeasea have yet to vote as well?

Yes, she does.

EDIT: X-posted with Findësëa

[Nogrod]

Any other cases in mind, anyone? We are five, if i reckon it right. We would need a sixtht to turn the tables... in case Naria doesn't want to vote for herself. (And I wouldn't like that)

[Roa_Aoife]

People who have voted:

Diamond, Sleepy, Celuien, Roa, Zali, Kitanna

[Roa_Aoife]

9 minutes people, hurry up!

[Caranlondien]

Okay, the people who have been under suspicion lately:

Grendelien: I just don't find her suspicious. There's something earnest in her tone, and I'm not ready to vote for her yet.

Nogrod: I've expressed my suspicions of him. I still don't trust him. I have no background playing WW with him, so this is only theorizing, but... as an orc, would Nogrod be so defensive about my case against him? It would look very suspicious if/when it's found out that I'm innocent. And he strikes me as the kind of player who wouldn't make a mistake like that.

Kitanna: She just voted for herself, possibly ensuring she'll be lynched. Not so high on my list anymore.

Roa: No one else seems to really suspect her anymore. I can't drop her off my radar, though. I don't think I'll vote for her toDay.

Naria: Sleepy suspects her. And I trust his innocence. With time racing by and just a few minutes left to vote... I might very well trust in his opinion. But I'm not ready to use that as a reason just yet...

I know that not all of you left can be orcs. Any other suspect ideas? We can still save Kitanna!