Tol-in-Gaurhoth XX: Wereorc I: The elves cannot hide themselves much longer.

[Grendelien]

Sorry, I didn't refresh the page quickly enough!

[Roa_Aoife]

Well, Gren, if you're here, have anything to add?

[Farael]

... who is the prettiest of them all?"

"What do I know? I'm a clock not a mirror. You know? tick-tack-tick-tack.... I told you, I'm a talking clock but you wouldn't listen. What do you want a talking clock if you don't listen to it, anyway? what you want if a talking mirror, geez....."

"Well, then what can you tell me?"

"I can tell you that there is still about an hour left for discussion and voting before the end of the day."

[Kitanna]

Short on time, I don't really have much to add from what I said earlier.
I see I've gathered plenty of suspicions. I know I'm innocent, but I also know no one is going to believe that until I hang from the noose or I'm mauled in my sleep.

I have suspicions of Findëasëa and Nogrod mostly. Of course seeing as very little time is left and to put in a vote for either of them would seem like a safe/ waste of a vote I'll help the village with its doubts.

++Kitanna

[Roa_Aoife]

Ugh, self-voters. I swear, there's one in every village. Kitanna, if you're innocent, then lynching yourself doesn't help us. There are still plenty of people left to vote, so it's not as though you're a defintie lynch. Offer a defense, come up with a reason why someone else ought to be suspected, just don't give up like that! If anything, this just makes you look like an orc trying to bluff her way out of dying. Well, I'm not falling for it.

[Nogrod]

”The case Caranlodien” – With Devil’s advocate view -light version (too tired to get intensive...)

Basically she seems to be one of the most careful and thoughtful members of the village – and her analysis seem to be very good indeed! As I do not know, what you others have thought, while you have posted, I can just rely on her analysis on me #163. She seemed to get the point I was stating easily (as some others have kind of twisted them, or not understood, what I have meant).

But then there is this curious aspect on her action too. She seems to be very eager to point out interesting (#131) or good (#133) points I have made, and then she makes this total mis-statement:

#152
Nogrod makes good points, but he also makes me uneasy. Are you suggesting that without well-founded suspicions to go on, we should lynch the quiet people? I can see some of the appeal. It's true, what you said, that quiet people get more and more dangerous as the game goes on. But that's also the sort of plan a bunch of loud orcs would want.

That reasoning is clearly flawed, and I wouldn’t think a person of her intelligence would do that (I guess at least Celuien - and partly Roa have pointed this also later).

The fun starts, when she analyses my posts (#163). The analysis is good – as I have said - but then she goes on to say, that she will keep an eye on me. Making an add-on to inform us, that my post done while she was analyzing my earlier posts “addressed her concerns”, and that she was less suspicious of me because of that.

In #173 She comes up with the idea, that me and Celuien are at odds concerning the quiet-ones – which clearly is not the case. Why did she make such a lie? Still, she continues, that I have made good points on my behalf.

Then comes the jackpot:

#184
I have to go soon, and must decide how to vote. It's difficult, because one can interpret a single action in so many ways - Nogrod seems reasonable, and not set in a single way of thinking. Or, perhaps he's eager to please, and doesn't want to ruffle anyone's feathers. My analysis of Roa didn't yield much, and I'm not ready to sacrifice someone who, if she is innocent, is surely an asset to the village.

Decisions... I'll go re-read a little and then cast my vote.

And it took whole ten minutes to vote for me... I must say, I’m astonished! She has been careful enought to announce my good points and arguments, and then she just votes for me, almost out of the blue! And even as I do agree with myself being not set to just one way of thinking, I just can't see, how you could interpret me as "eager to please"!

And she has been continuing the same way today also. In #276, she says:

However, I do believe that Sleepy is innocent. If an orcish Nogrod had lied about an orcish Sleepy, in a few days time we'd all be wondering why Sleepy wasn't dead yet. And once we knew one of them was an orc, we'd have a nice little trail to follow to the other. I don't think Nogrod would be so foolish.

But just then on #286, she goes:

Right now I'm feeling most suspicious of Nogrod and Kitanna. Typical loud wolf/quiet wolf there (with orcs instead of wolves, of course).

So playing thoughtfully, and not suspiciously. But then somehow managing to twist her vote / open suspicions at the right moments to go on just the other way, she has been talking all the time?

I don’t know, what to say about this. Has she blind spots? Is she deliberately trying to seem like a thoughtful villager, but under that cover, trying to influence the other villagers to lynch a loud-villager (if she is an orc, she knows, I’m innocent)? At least today, her timing would be excellent...

But as with Grendelien, I have to say, that I would hate her to be an orc. Would be a good asset to us, if “proven” innocent. So come and defend yourself – and all you others, have your say. I would like to hear good reasons for your actions and to come to believe your innocence! (This goes to Grendelien also – if I haven’t spelled that out already, clearly enough)

[Roa_Aoife]

And she has been continuing the same way today also. In #276, she says:
Quote:
However, I do believe that Sleepy is innocent. If an orcish Nogrod had lied about an orcish Sleepy, in a few days time we'd all be wondering why Sleepy wasn't dead yet. And once we knew one of them was an orc, we'd have a nice little trail to follow to the other. I don't think Nogrod would be so foolish.

But just then on #286, she goes:
Quote:
Right now I'm feeling most suspicious of Nogrod and Kitanna. Typical loud wolf/quiet wolf there (with orcs instead of wolves, of course).

So playing thoughtfully, and not suspiciously. But then somehow managing to twist her vote / open suspicions at the right moments to go on just the other way, she has been talking all the time?

I can see most of your case, but this bit I think I would view differently. The general consensus has been that even if you're an orc, you wouldn't be lying about Sleepy's innocense. So then all that she's saying is that the dream was most likely true, but you are in no means off the hook.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

I can see most of your case, but this bit I think I would view differently. The general consensus has been that even if you're an orc, you wouldn't be lying about Sleepy's innocense. So then all that she's saying is that the dream was most likely true, but you are in no means off the hook.

I have never boasted being off the hook... I even said, that I haven't thought of saving my butt with the revelation. I think you all remember the first day, and what I thought about people should do having a dream? It is plain, that we dreamers are just "the vessels" (I'm starting to hate this idiom...).

[Roa_Aoife]

I have never boasted being off the hook... I even said, that I haven't thought of saving my butt with the revelation.

I never said you did. I'm just saying that you're making a contradiction when there isn't one to be made.

[Roa_Aoife]

New Vote count

Kitanna 5
Naria 1

Now where is everyone?

[Nogrod]

I cross-posted with many.

Just two comments, then I have to see the posts better and think of my vote.

Kitanna: Roa is right, this won't help us as a village - and as a bluff it's very bad. Shame on you...

Grendelien: As I said, I'm inclined to believe your innocence, and am more so now (even there seems to be no real reason for it). I hope we both are alive tomorrow - and there is one orc less to deal with. But we should try each other, to see, whether we can trust. That's what the villagers need - the orcs know the situation, we must build the bridges without PM's or outside knowledge...

[Grendelien]

Haha, Nogrod, every post you make me very nervous...your posts strengthen the chance of your being innocent or your being an orc, and very, very good one at that. I cannot shake the notion that you are trying (as an orc) to develop bonds with ordinary villagers. You already have Sleepy's trust, because you revealed his innocence, which I believe to be true. Could it be you are just trying to get to me next? I am willing to see you try to support your innocence and, if you really are innocent, to try to come to the realization that I am innocent as well. I can't waste anymore time! I must vote soon.

[Folwren]

The night was extremely still. Very still. The stars twinkled overhead in a nonchalant manner very different from the skulking figures below. "Come along, you stinking maggot," hissed one of the figures (the orcs lost their manners after sundown), "we don't have all night. That ranger might come around before we even begin the job at the rate you're going!"

The night was too clear and too peaceful for the work that lay ahead, but they didn't care or notice. The door of their victim's house was closed and bolted from within, but these orcs didn't care or notice that, either. . .

~~~

The elves gathered together in the town square, shivering in the cold, clear morning. No one said anything for a minute as everyone's eyes scanned everyone else. . .once, and then twice. . .and then, in some cases, thrice.

Nogrod: We're not all here.

Grendelian: Yes, thank you for pointing it out. He pulled out his knife as he spoke and before Nogrod could voice his fear that Grendelian was threatening him, he began to whittle a stick held in his other hand.

Zali:(faintly) I didn't think. . .

Roa_Aoife: Why didn't you save her?

Naria: She didn't know. Said very softly and barely loud enough to be heard.

Celuien: Poor Diamond.

Findëasëa: Well, let's go see what happened.

The villagers all turned and walked towards Diamond's house. As they drew near, they saw all the front windows on the first floor shattered and smashed in. The door was still closed and bolted. Roa offered to go in and unbolt the door, and the others didn't argue. In another moment, the way was opened and everyone trooped in. Silently they searched the equally silent house. A scream brought all of them running to a room towards the back of the place. Caranlondien stood in the middle of a room with no windows. Her hand was over her mouth and she looked ready to faint. When she saw the others, she pointed with a shaking hand at the corpse of their jewel smith.

The others stole forward, as though frightened that the dead might not be as dead as she looked and might leap up, full of unlively life. Celuien bent and picked up a maltreated and misformed stone from the ground. It was a diamond.

Sleepy: Looks like the orcs simply scared her to death. No wounds or anything.

Celuien didn't look up as she gently placed the stone on the desk before the dead jeweler. "Poor Diamond," she said for the second time that morning, and no one knew if she referred to the jewel or to their dead villager.


Now living:
Caranlondien: aspiring harpist
Nogrod: unemployed barber.
Grendelien: village whittler
Findëasëa: paleoelfropologist
Celuien:lampwright
Zali: stringer-of-bows
Naria:The grower of magnificent flowers
Sleepy A barrel of apples
Roa_Aoife aspiring ballad writer

Now dead:
FaraelMod: He dyed… erm I mean died.
GlirdanRepentant werewolf : Choked on an apple. No wonder why werewolves are carnivores.
JennyHalluWereorc: Escaped the village, but could not escape the laws of physics.
Dancing Spawn...: Just a merchant: Trapped on a deathly spider’s web.
Kitanna:The town's gate-keeper: Had a lobotomy performed by an angry woodpecker.
Legolas in spandex: Legolass (A movie-Legolas impersonator): Overwhelmed and or frightened into leaving the village after seeing what had happened to Kitanna
Diamond18: Simply a normal, very bad stone cutter - scared to death by orcs

[Celuien]

*pinches self*

Still alive. I didn't expect that at all. I really thought that either Zali or I would be toast last night. Still, it's good to be here.

Poor Diamond indeed. What puzzles me is why Diamond? I'll have to reread her analyses from yesterday, again on the basis of what could she have been right about to get herself killed.

More later...

[Caranlondien]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

In #173 She comes up with the idea, that me and Celuien are at odds concerning the quiet-ones – which clearly is not the case. Why did she make such a lie? Still, she continues, that I have made good points on my behalf.

A "lie"? I assure you, if and when I get the role of orc (or wolf), I will not be so stupid as to use lies to sway to village. That statement was an honest mistake. I thought I had read Celuien saying that she disagreed with you. As for my vote for you based on admittedly little reasoning, it's because WE HAVE NO STAND-OUT SUSPECTS! We talk and talk, but it's all paranoia and little stabs at people here and there. Nothing concrete. I've honestly seen very little in the way of good ideas recently, and I've been frustrated with that. A girl's gotta vote for someone, eh?

[Farael]

TheThe voting closes in 15 minutes. Given that I let Legolas IS's non-vote go I will give you all a freebie. But two unexplained no-votes will mean your death.










In-game, of course.

[Nogrod]

= Grendelien
I cannot shake the notion that you are trying (as an orc) to develop bonds with ordinary villagers. You already have Sleepy's trust, because you revealed his innocence, which I believe to be true. Could it be you are just trying to get to me next? I am willing to see you try to support your innocence and, if you really are innocent, to try to come to the realization that I am innocent as well.

Welcome to the WW-game...

But really. You may not know, but this is not the first time Sleepy is trusting me with more than suspicious levels... I can't say anything else, but I hope you trust the arguments - we have nothing else to play wisely.

Originally Posted by Caranlondien

A "lie"? I assure you, if and when I get the role of orc (or wolf), I will not be so stupid as to use lies to sway to village. That statement was an honest mistake. I thought I had read Celuien saying that she disagreed with you. As for my vote for you based on admittedly little reasoning, it's because WE HAVE NO STAND-OUT SUSPECTS! We talk and talk, but it's all paranoia and little stabs at people here and there. Nothing concrete. I've honestly seen very little in the way of good ideas recently, and I've been frustrated with that. A girl's gotta vote for someone, eh?

Please forgive me my playing the "advocate". I just thought we should see something new for a while (all the people have just talked of me, Roa, Diamond etc...).

Tomorrow, those of us alive, will be much wiser, and we can get to this conversation again? At least I hope, I will be part of it.

[Nogrod]

How many of us here? If just Caran, Grend and me, we have no chances to avoid Kitanna being lynched... I'm not sure she is an orc, but on my suspicion list, she stands quite high anyhow (the suicide thing got me thinking - I admit).

[Grendelien]

Does Findeasea have yet to vote as well?

[Caranlondien]

Okay, the people who have been under suspicion lately:

Grendelien: I just don't find her suspicious. There's something earnest in her tone, and I'm not ready to vote for her yet.

Nogrod: I've expressed my suspicions of him. I still don't trust him. I have no background playing WW with him, so this is only theorizing, but... as an orc, would Nogrod be so defensive about my case against him? It would look very suspicious if/when it's found out that I'm innocent. And he strikes me as the kind of player who wouldn't make a mistake like that.

Kitanna: She just voted for herself, possibly ensuring she'll be lynched. Not so high on my list anymore.

Roa: No one else seems to really suspect her anymore. I can't drop her off my radar, though. I don't think I'll vote for her toDay.

Naria: Sleepy suspects her. And I trust his innocence. With time racing by and just a few minutes left to vote... I might very well trust in his opinion. But I'm not ready to use that as a reason just yet...

I know that not all of you left can be orcs. Any other suspect ideas? We can still save Kitanna!