Tol-in-Gaurhoth XX: Wereorc I: The elves cannot hide themselves much longer.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Celuien

Not a bad plan, except for one thing. If we reveal dreams as we have them, then the Orcs can pick off any known innocents, one-by-one, rendering the dreams useless.

Well that was just the thing I thought about: and this way we win... because they are made to react, rather than act. We will then be always one dream ahead - and at some place, the wolves will be dreamed of too!

Actually, though, it might not be a bad idea for each of us to find some way of leaving obscure hints so that if someone receives a dream and dies before being able to reveal it, there's still some way of picking up on what was known.

I think this is a good working plan too. It is just a bit vague: we won't be able to trust, that the talk of some innocent dead was a hint or just a hunch, if they are obscure enough...

But we will have to think about these both: this day, and the next night.

PS. I do not mean we should use all our day's discussions on these matters - maybe we just all think about these ourselves, maybe commenting on the worst flaws in mine or Celuien's ideas - maybe introducing good new ideas too? Then we could open a real discussion tomorrow?

[Celuien]

*back for a few minutes*

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Well that was just the thing I thought about: and this way we win... because they are made to react, rather than act. We will then be always one dream ahead - and at some place, the wolves will be dreamed of too!

Right, but only one dream ahead, making it a hard to amass enough of a proven innocents to unknowns ratio to guide voting effectively.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I think this is a good working plan too. It is just a bit vague: we won't be able to trust, that the talk of some innocent dead was a hint or just a hunch, if they are obscure enough...

Delibrately vague, for now anyway. The Orcsies are watching too, after all...

*goes away again*

[Caranlondien]

Alas and alack! Our poor dear alchemist, dead! My harp shall do naught but weep for Farael until his death has been avenged.

Now, as to killing these nasty orcs... I think Celuien makes a good point about the proposal of having the dreamers come forward immediately with those they dreamed about:

Originally Posted by Celuien

Right, but only one dream ahead, making it a hard to amass enough of a proven innocents to unknowns ratio to guide voting effectively.

I think discretion is in order, and it's a bad idea to make generalizations about how we should act - makes it easier for the wereorcs if we tell them our intentions.

[Roa_Aoife]

Originally Posted by Caranlondien

I think discretion is in order, and it's a bad idea to make generalizations about how we should act - makes it easier for the wereorcs if we tell them our intentions.

Caran (may I call you that?) makes a good point. I think in the end it will be up to whoever has the dream. Afterall, it's their potential sacrifice.

We ought to move on and discuss strategies for Day 1. Now I know everyone hates Day 1, nothing to go on, random babbling, etc, etc, etc, but Therianthropes have been caught on Day 1 and we have the ability to do so again. I personally don't like random voting- I like to vote for whoever is the most suspicious to me on any given day, no matter how marginal that suspicion is. If, however, you get to the end of today and are completely lost, by all means vote randomly. It's better to make a random vote than not vote at all. You may even get lucky. It's happened before.

Basically, let's get some discussion going so we can avoid the need for random votes.

[Diamond18]

I'm not sure what to talk about past the Shaman strategy, and so far I think I agree with Celuien and Caran both that discretion, and personal judgement, should be used when deciding whether to reveal when one has been given the dream.

Other than that, I'll be working on my silmarils. I.E., waiting for more of the village to post.

[JennyHallu]

Farael...he who taught me the joys of Bunsen burners...shall be sorely missed. But he shall not be missed for very long. Why, you ask?

BECAUSE THE WORLD IS GOING TO END AND WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!

HORRIBLY!!!

*wipes sweat off brow*
*adjusts Sign of Impending Doom*

Anywho...

I've been spending the past several days thinking about the Shaman dreams, and I think I also stand with Celuien. Let's not make things quite so obvious to the Orksies. Now...who among us might be guilty?

Dancing Spawn...you look far too innocent. You too, Roa. I mean really, they're so blazingly white innocent all the time that one of them has got to be evil incarnate.

And Sleepy. The whole idea of a sentient barrel of apples creeps me out. I mean really...you're walking down the street and you hear something, turn around, and all there is is a barrel of apples.

Diamond also worries me. Threat of certain annihilation, and she's playing with sparkly rocks? Doesn't she know the world is ending? I've told her and told her...

Substance maybe later.

(The Jen is fairly sure she is going insane due to scheduling. Hopefully her brain will kick back in. Don't count on it at least until she's had sleep.)

[Celuien]

Might as well get started on the running analysis…
Posted so far:
Nogrod – laments Farael, thinks dreams should be posted as received, says Orcs won’t get far by lying about dreams.
Glirdan – expresses confusion over wereORCS instead of werewolves, vows to avenge Farael’s death. Agrees with me on Nogrod’s plan, adds that we shouldn’t trust anyone too readily since Orcs can lie about dreams. Says to leave subtle hints about dreams unless someone is in danger of dying.
Caranlondien – laments Farael, says I have a point about revealing dreams too quickly. Calls for discretion.
Roa_Aoife – laments Farael, thinks the dreams available to us are interesting since the Shaman is protected, allowing villagers to reveal dreams. Points out that dreams can be misleading since we don’t know which villagers dreamed or what they dreamed if they die without leaving a hint. Agrees with Caran about the need for discretion. Doesn’t like random voting, calls for more discussion so we don’t need to vote randomly.
Diamond18 – laments Farael. Agrees with me that we shouldn’t rush to reveal dreams. Agrees with Caran about needing discretion on the part of dream receivers about revealing dreams. Awaiting more discussion.

Waiting to hear from:
JennyHallu
Grendelien
Findëasëa
Zali
Dancing Spawn
Kitanna
Naria
Sleepy
Legolas in spandex

Well. Let’s see if I can stir things up. If I activate my Random Illuminator™ and turn it on those who haven’t arrived yet, it reveals that Grendelien, Sleepy and Spawn are clearly up to something together. You see, Grendelien whittles the barrels that make up Sleepy the apple barrel (what’s with an Elf turning into a barrel, anyway?), and Spawn sells the apples. Such a bizarre business plan is highly suspicious.

EDIT: crossed with Jenny while typing very, very slowly. She should, of course, be off the non-posters list now.

[Celuien]

And if I may be permitted to double post, let me agree that I hate day 1, with all its data deficient confusion. And that the only thing I dislike more than day 1 is random voting on day 1 if there's a chance to vote for someone truly suspicious.

Discuss away!

[Roa_Aoife]

Quick check in in the middle of ballad writing (Read: Homework)

Originally Posted by Jenny

Dancing Spawn...you look far too innocent. You too, Roa. I mean really, they're so blazingly white innocent all the time that one of them has got to be evil incarnate.

Well, yeah, but what does that have to with wereorcs?

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by Celuien

Well. Let’s see if I can stir things up. If I activate my Random Illuminator™ and turn it on those who haven’t arrived yet, it reveals that Grendelien, Sleepy and Spawn are clearly up to something together. You see, Grendelien whittles the barrels that make up Sleepy the apple barrel (what’s with an Elf turning into a barrel, anyway?), and Spawn sells the apples. Such a bizarre business plan is highly suspicious.

Along those same lines, Caran and Roa are highly suspicious, always hanging out together, Roa writing ballads and Caran playing them on her harp. In fact just the other day I'm sure I heard Roa singing, "Oh I hate that Farael/I want to kill him for real" whilst Caran accompanied her on the harp. If that's not Orcish, I know not what.

(C'mon, let's not hate Day 1 too much, guys. It's the only day you can really post fun nonsense and be in character. )