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The 1,000 Reader · 04-03-2006, 06:33 PM

Hold on people, Anarion was a prince who fought for what he believed in. Celebrian was a queen through marriage who did something stupid and got hurt. Surely we should send off the less important one first, right?

++Celebrian.

Reasons already said.

Eonwe · 04-03-2006, 06:37 PM

++Anarion

He's cool, but he's not that cool. Sure he fought bravely in the Siege of Barad-Dur, but he didn't live to do anything really great and/or glorious. Which happens to be a prerequisit for winning this contest, in my book.

Diamond18 · 04-03-2006, 06:46 PM

+ + Celebrimbor

For crafting rings of power, which isn't the smartest thing to do. Sure, you might get a chap like Gandalf who knows how to put one of them to good use, but the majority of ringbearers caused chaos because power corrupts. Not to mention Sauron got in on the whole thing. Overall, the rings were a bad idea.

the phantom · 04-03-2006, 08:49 PM

I posted this earlier, but it seems I need to repeat myself.

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Well, I hate to break it to you, but the Rings will still happen so long as there are other elven-smiths in Hollin as well as Sauron. If we kill Celebrimbor, the three powerful elven rings won't get made, and thus Lothlorien and Rivendell will be diminished. And also, don't forget that Gandalf took one of the rings, a ring to help support him in his weariness and help him kindle people's hearts, and without that ring he probably would not have been successful.

Celebrimbor's involvement in the Ring incident was a plus, not a minus.

Tuor in Gondolin · 04-04-2006, 07:20 AM

+ + Celebrimbor

He's just too smug. Shall we say
a rather pronounced Noldor trait?

**The Saucepan Man** · 04-04-2006, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Lalaith

You all fell for it, didn't you...

Not really. Formy's transparent efforts notwithstanding, I was quite glad of the chance to be rid of the vain, bossy, overbearing old wench.

My guess is that Formendacil is hoping for a Celebrimbor win. So I suggest that we pool our efforts to frustrate his hopes.

+ + CELEBRIMBOR

For reasons amply stated previously. Ring craftsmanship is all very well and good in its place. But it proved a disaster when he tried his hand at it before. And it is of no use whatsoever on the Island.

Plus, there is still the shame of his body being used as a standard by Sauron's Armies.

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Originally Posted by the phantom

If we kill Celebrimbor, the three powerful elven rings won't get made, and thus Lothlorien and Rivendell will be diminished.

As I believe that I said earlier, although it seems that I too need to repeat myself, Celebrimbor's efforts directly contributed towards the making of the One Ring. Had I been around in the Third Age, I think that I would have gladly taken a diminished Lothlorien and Rivendell in return for no One Ring.

Eonwe · 04-04-2006, 11:13 AM

And why is that SpM? I don't really see that Suaron gained all that much by his Ring. Ringwraiths, sure. But if he didn't have them, he would have found someone just as worthy of being his second in command. His control over the Dwarves is, I guess, a bonus for the Ring, but the free world did just fine without them (or would have, if Isildur had been a wise man). The Three were used to greatly influence the world for good during the Watchful Peace.

Not to mention, if there had been no One Ring, Isildur never would have defeated Sauron, and Sam and Frodo never could have defeated him either. So.....

**The Saucepan Man** · 04-04-2006, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Eonwe

Not to mention, if there had been no One Ring, Isildur never would have defeated Sauron, and Sam and Frodo never could have defeated him either. So.....

Actually, without the One Ring, Sauron would never have been able to resume physical form following his flight from Numenor drowned.

Yes, that Celebrimbor's certainly got a lot to answer for ...

Formendacil · 04-04-2006, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

My guess is that Formendacil is hoping for a Celebrimbor win. So I suggest that we pool our efforts to frustrate his hopes.

What? A Fëanorian!! Do you take me for Anguirel? (You wouldn't be the first... right, dear sis?)

Nay, I rather have a fancy for the beautiful Tar-Míriel...

Diamond18 · 04-04-2006, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Formendacil

Nay, I rather have a fancy for the beautiful Tar-Míriel...

Trying to get us to bandwagon against her, eh, Form?

Lhunardawen · 04-04-2006, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Formendacil

What? A Fëanorian!! Do you take me for Anguirel? (You wouldn't be the first... right, dear sis?)

*looks around innocently*

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Nay, I rather have a fancy for the beautiful Tar-Míriel...

I would have voted against her to irk you, but I like her too...

++CELEBRIAN

*sigh*

04-03-2006, 06:33 PM	#1
The 1,000 Reader Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: I don't know. Eastern ME doesn't have maps. Posts: 527	Hold on people, Anarion was a prince who fought for what he believed in. Celebrian was a queen through marriage who did something stupid and got hurt. Surely we should send off the less important one first, right? ++Celebrian. Reasons already said. __________________ "And forth went Morgoth, and he was halted by the elves. Then went Sauron, who was stopped by a dog and then aged men. Finally, there came the Witch-King, who destroyed Arnor, but nobody seems to remember that." -A History of Villains

04-03-2006, 06:37 PM	#2
Eonwe Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: In a world grown ever smaller. Posts: 678	++Anarion He's cool, but he's not that cool. Sure he fought bravely in the Siege of Barad-Dur, but he didn't live to do anything really great and/or glorious. Which happens to be a prerequisit for winning this contest, in my book. __________________ I've got bridge club on Wednesday, Archery on Thursday, Dancing on a Friday night!

04-03-2006, 06:46 PM	#3
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	+ + Celebrimbor For crafting rings of power, which isn't the smartest thing to do. Sure, you might get a chap like Gandalf who knows how to put one of them to good use, but the majority of ringbearers caused chaos because power corrupts. Not to mention Sauron got in on the whole thing. Overall, the rings were a bad idea. __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

04-04-2006, 07:20 AM	#5
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	+ + Celebrimbor He's just too smug. Shall we say a rather pronounced Noldor trait? __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

04-04-2006, 11:13 AM	#7
Eonwe Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: In a world grown ever smaller. Posts: 678	And why is that SpM? I don't really see that Suaron gained all that much by his Ring. Ringwraiths, sure. But if he didn't have them, he would have found someone just as worthy of being his second in command. His control over the Dwarves is, I guess, a bonus for the Ring, but the free world did just fine without them (or would have, if Isildur had been a wise man). The Three were used to greatly influence the world for good during the Watchful Peace. Not to mention, if there had been no One Ring, Isildur never would have defeated Sauron, and Sam and Frodo never could have defeated him either. So..... __________________ I've got bridge club on Wednesday, Archery on Thursday, Dancing on a Friday night!

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