Tol-in-Gaurhoth XIX: Ang Sagang Daga, bow.

[Caranlondien]

And I wish I hadn't voted already! While I definitely think a vote for Lhuna is well-spent, it seems like my vote for her wasn't necessary to ensure her lynching. LMP, I agree about TGWBS's suspicious behavior, and if you guys try to get him double-lynched, I'm with you (in spirit, at least, since I already voted )

[littlemanpoet]

Thanks, Caranlondien. We'll hope for the best. I'll be back in about 3 1/2 hours, which is suppose to give me one more hour to read whatever's been written and vote...... right, ModGod's Prophet?

[tar-ancalime]

Hey, lmp--

I don't trust tgwbs any farther than I can throw him, but I'm skeptical of the suspicion he's engendered today.

Farael is pursuing what looks like a grudge.

You and others seem to think that his y-chromosome double lynch plan is enough to send him to the gallows.

But I'd caution you in particular, lmp--think back to past villages. Has there ever been anyone who advanced complex and unworkable plan after complex and unworkable plan, only to be found innocent in the end?

Again, not saying he's innocent; just that I don't think the problems with his plan are reason enough to lynch him.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Thanks, Caranlondien. We'll hope for the best. I'll be back in about 3 1/2 hours, which is suppose to give me one more hour to read whatever's been written and vote...... right, ModGod's Prophet?

He never said anything about being earlier or late, so ontime seems like a reasonable expectation.

Looking at the events over the last few hours since I've been online, I'm seeing one tread: more rational thought- which is definitely a good thing. Of course, it might just mean that TGWBS has gone to bed...

Speaking of TGWBS, I find it interesting, LMP, that you lump him together with Eomer and Farael as the main troublemakers. Not that I disagree with you on the fact that they have, by and large, stirred up the most confusion today, but considering that the three of them have held mostly opposing views, I wonder which of the three (assuming any of them) is the Werewolf?

After all, it seems highly unlikely to me that all three of the Werewolves would be drawing attention to themselves in such a way- especially since it seems that one of their own- Lhuna or Kath, since I'm not discounting Kath as a Werewolf- is on the voting block today. One, or even two, of them might try and make noise to distract the village- but not all three, surely! Since I consider Eomer and TGWBS the more likely of the three to be such audacious Werewolves, I'm willing to think Farael innocent for now. I somehow think that if he was a Werewolf, he'd be less noisy than he is as a Villager.

[littlemanpoet]

I realized that I can't count on werewolf Lhuna to help double lynch Guy if he's a werewolf, she being one of the six remaining voters, so:

++ Lhunardawen

We really need to get this werewolf lynched. That's seven votes. Five voters to go. Kath having 4 votes against her, let's see how these last five vote. I think it will tell us a lot.

tar, my reason for suspecting Guy for [u]this[/i] plan is because its motivation is self-confessedly to root out the lovers, which is more of a concern to the werewolves than to the innocents.

Formy, I only disagree with Farael because he's arguing forthrightly if wrongly in my opinion. Guy and Eomer, on the other hand, are foisting strange things that don't sit right. You, Formy, by the way, have defended Lhuna and voted for Kath, whose supposed guilt I think is a big distraction from the real werewolves. Farael has been caught up in it, which is a shame, but I think the werewolves are taking advantage of him and he'll look awfully guilty if/when Kath doesn't turn out to be a werewolf. I'm not saying that I have any set opinions on Kath, just that the case against her looks pretty trumped up. And as to her defense of herself and vote for Lhuna, she's in that precarious d'd if you do, d'd if you don't situation that my forebears have known all too well. That you Formy, and Eomer keep pointing at her worries me about you.

And just to reiterate some points I've made before:

I think tar-ancalime, Caranlondien, Thinlomien, Samwise, & Farael are probably innocent. I think that Gurthang & Cailín are probably not werewolves either. I'm not sure about Valier, Lalaith, Glirdan, Kath, Naria, & Celuien. I'm really suspicious of Formendacil, Eomer, & Guy. And I think Lhunardawen is so furry it must hurt.

[Valier]

Well since I may not have time later I will vote now.Since the vote is swaying towards Lhuna, I think a double lynch would be an eye opener today. So hoping others think the same way

++Kath

I don't think she is overly suspicious, but a vote for Lhuna now would be a waste.If neither is a wolf I appologize.I think tomorrow will hold more info.

Night to all! I hope we catch us two wolves today!

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Formy, I only disagree with Farael because he's arguing forthrightly if wrongly in my opinion. Guy and Eomer, on the other hand, are foisting strange things that don't sit right. You, Formy, by the way, have defended Lhuna and voted for Kath, whose supposed guilt I think is a big distraction from the real werewolves. Farael has been caught up in it, which is a shame, but I think the werewolves are taking advantage of him and he'll look awfully guilty if/when Kath doesn't turn out to be a werewolf. I'm not saying that I have any set opinions on Kath, just that the case against her looks pretty trumped up. And as to her defense of herself and vote for Lhuna, she's in that precarious d'd if you do, d'd if you don't situation that my forebears have known all too well. That you Formy, and Eomer keep pointing at her worries me about you.

Fair enough...

Let's just wait and see. It's possible, you know, that Kath is a Werewolf. How about we wait until she's dead (assuming that she dies before Game Over) before declaring me guilty on that basis. I still have a lot of qualms about Miss Kath.

Originally Posted by LMP

I think tar-ancalime, Caranlondien, Thinlomien, Samwise, & Farael are probably innocent. I think that Gurthang & Cailín are probably not werewolves either. I'm not sure about Valier, Lalaith, Glirdan, Kath, Naria, & Celuien. I'm really suspicious of Formendacil, Eomer, & Guy. And I think Lhunardawen is so furry it must hurt.

How nice! I've replaced Farael as the last partner of your Eomer/TGWBS triad. I'm so honoured.

Much though I'd like to, LMP, I'm afraid that I can't think you a Wolf at the moment, merely a misguided fellow Villager. However, let's wait and see what happens. One could easily "mis"construe your for for Lhunardawen as a Male Werewolf Lover making sure that his lover Kath is put well out harm's way.

Not that I believe it to be that way- at the moment- but your vote does have a certain feel of... being tacked on. Like a Werewolf who's waited until he's sure which way the wind is blowing before joining the bandwaggon.

We'll see indeed.

[Valier]

Originally Posted by Farael

Kath is a werewolf for certain

Are you certain,certain? and if so how?

[Caranlondien]

1. Thinlomien --> Lhuna (Lhuna 1)
2. TGWBS --> Farael (Lhuna 1 – Farael 1)
3. Formendacil --> Kath (Lhuna 1 – Farael 1 – Kath 1)
4. Eomer --> Lhuna (Lhuna 2 – Farael 1 – Kath 1)
5. Lalaith --> Lhuna (Lhuna 3 – Farael 1 – Kath 1)
6. Samwise --> Lhuna (Lhuna 4 – Farael 1 – Kath 1)
7. Celuien --> Kath (Lhuna 4 – Farael 1 – Kath 2)
8. Kath --> Lhuna (Lhuna 5 – Farael 1 – Kath 2)
9. Caranlondien --> Lhuna (Lhuna 6 – Farael 1 – Kath 2)
10. Tar-Ancalime --> Kath (Lhuna 6 – Farael 1 – Kath 3)
11. Glirdan --> Kath (Lhuna 6 – Farael 1 – Kath 4)
12. LMP --> Lhuna (Lhuna 7 – Farael 1 – Kath 4)
13. Farael --> Kath (Lhuna 7 – Farael 1 – Kath 5)
14. Valier --> Kath (Lhuna 7 – Farael 1 – Kath 6)

I just can't help myself; I'm a big fan of lists

EDIT: And I always make mistakes...

[Farael]

Alright, there is not much more I can do here. Just a few parting comments before my vote.

*I am as certain as only the most insightful of ordos can be that Kath is a wolf.

*I am still not sold on this whole campaign of lynching Lhuna. I like LMP's idea of ridding ourselves of TGWBS, but is it possible to do him and Kath rather than him and Lhuna? if it is, I would strongly advise the village to do it. If it's not, let's rid ourselves of Kath first... and I might be swayed to lynch Lhuna if Kath turns out not to be a werewolf... but I am confident she will be.

*I think that Formen may be one of the lovers. I think Kath might be his loved one. He has been distancing himself from Kath yet not going straight at her neck.... He might be playing a dangerous game but it does not look likely that Kath will be lynched. I'd like to see how he reacts when Kath is in serious danger.

So I propose, let's Lynch Kath tonight and let Formen feel the bitter taste of defeat.

Formen, either you are a cunning lover or a cunning wolf. But you are too cunning for this village anyhow.

++Kath

And if any of you have an ounce of brain, you will follow myexample. You will see.

[Farael]

Cross posted with LMP

My friend, you are wise... wise yet misguided. Kath is a wolf and I know so for sure. Lhuna is more of a gray zone just now. We will probably know soon anyway.

Fellow villagers, I beseech you. I understand where the Lhuna voters are coming from, yet let me tell you, Kath is a werewolf for certain. Don't waste your votes on someone who may or may not turn furry.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Farael

*I think that Formen may be one of the lovers. I think Kath might be his loved one. He has been distancing himself from Kath yet not going straight at her neck.... He might be playing a dangerous game but it does not look likely that Kath will be lynched. I'd like to see how he reacts when Kath is in serious danger.

I can promise you, Farael that I'm not. The fact that I shall not die when Kath does- tonight, tomorrow, or whenever, should probably be proof enough for you.

So I propose, let's Lynch Kath tonight and let Formen feel the bitter taste of defeat.

I think you have your words mixed up... It's "victory" you're looking for, not "defeat".

Formen, either you are a cunning lover or a cunning wolf. But you are too cunning for this village anyhow.

I'm honoured. So it's impossible to be cunning and helpful at the same time? Such a pity... Guess I'll have to give up trying to be helpful.

[Gurthang]

I suddenly have a bad feeling. That kind of feeling like you're about to lynch your Seer.

Voting:
Lhuna - 7
Kath - 6
Farael - 1

Left to vote: Me, Lhuna, Naria, and Cailín

I don't think we should lynch TGWBS just yet. I doubt a wolf would put himself in the position he has. Still, one can never be sure until death clears all doubt.

I need to go check what spawn said about Kath. I'll be back to vote.

[Gurthang]

Spawn, with regards to Kath:

Day 1:
post #124:

Originally Posted by dancing spawn of ungoliant

Kath's vote seems somewhat weird.

As she admits, she repeats almost exactly the same words as tar-a in her past life. That reasoning got her in a bit of trouble then, but she turned out to be an innocent. Something in Kath's voting feels funny especially because if Eomer is innocent, it's good to keep him around.

Day 2:
post #151:

Mentions that Anguirel mentioned Kath. This post actually speaks more against Glirdan than anyone.

post #193:

Comments that Kath did post before Anguirel's initial post about her.

post #207:

Says [seemingly in jest] that maybe Kath is a wolf. I wouldn't take this seriously, since it was mostly made for sarcastic effect (if I read it right at all).


And that's it. That leaves me with almost no suspicion of Kath, because I had thought spawn had talked about her more and is not the case. This makes me much more suspicious of Farael, who continually claimed that spawn indicated Kath numerous times.

Actually, after glancing through all spawn's posts, Glirdan's name popped out more than Kath's did. I don't know if he was the one that she mentioned most, but his name just stuck out to me. Could be worth looking into.

And now, here is my dilemna. I don't suspect Kath anymore, which means that I'm not too keen on voting for her. Yet at the same time, I don't want to end up with everyone talking about Kath tomorrow. I know it sounds vicious, but I almost want to stop all that wasted breath now. So, what should I do? Anybody out there who wants to give advice is welcome.

Hopefully, I won't even have to make that call, since I'm almost split on it. I'll have to wait and see how the rest of the poeple who are left vote.

[Naria]

So, we have a stand-off then Gurthang!

[tar-ancalime]

And now, here is my dilemna. I don't suspect Kath anymore, which means that I'm not too keen on voting for her. Yet at the same time, I don't want to end up with everyone talking about Kath tomorrow. I know it sounds vicious, but I almost want to stop all that wasted breath now. So, what should I do? Anybody out there who wants to give advice is welcome.

Well, that's why I voted for her. I've always felt that, especially early in a game when the village is likely to be lynching innocents, the best vote is the expedient one. We really need to start talking about some other villagers here, and the longer Kath and Lhuna stay alive the longer we're going to be wasting time talking about them. If we don't lynch them both, we're going to spend a lot of time tomorrow talking about why we didn't, and rehashing the arguments for and against lynching the one who remains alive. If we lynch them both and they're innocent, sure, we'll be talking about it, but at least the conversation will be focused on the people who made it happen instead of on these two.