Tol-in-Gaurhoth XIX: Ang Sagang Daga, bow.

[littlemanpoet]

I hope it's been rejected by now, but if it hasn't, it should be.

Guy admits that its motivation is to root out the lovers. However, it has been generally agreed by the more helpful villagers who don't call themselves werewolves, that by going after the werewolves, the lovers will be defeated.

So stop it, Guy, or else we're going to have to lynch you as a primary suspect for werewolvery.

[Lhunardawen]

Hmm. Okay, so I see that the primary reason I'm up for the lynch toDay is that from carry-over Day 1 events spawn attacked me after agreeing with me over something that previous Day, and her suspicion was supported by other villagers. In the end she decided to vote for me. Then last Night the wolves killed her, she is found out to be a Seeriff, and that will obviously implicate me.

Hmm...let's see. You say the Seeriffs decided to dream about me, found me to be a wolf, and using dancing spawn as the sacrificial Seeriff alerted the village to my lycanthropy. I guess this would explain her sudeen 180-degree turn on me.

Yes, we all know that dancing spawn is a very good and experienced player, and as a Seer - well, she is definitely a great asset to our village. Now, knowing that there are four wolves against just two Seeriffs, and NO Ranger in this village...why would they take the risk of sacrificing a particularly helpful villager just to help the village catch a single wolf, leaving only one Seeriff to fend off for him/herself against three wolves? That's tantamount to her actually revealing herself outright. We would expect them to be more careful.

With that said, it is very probable that the Seeriffs had no wolf dreams as yet, and she just pursued her suspicions of me after someone presented the idea. Apparently the wolves took advantage of this to frame an innocent, which they have now successfully done. For which I must commend them. We obviously have very smart wolves against us. And then, much to their surprise, she actually was a Seeriff! Added bonus to them.

As for tgwbs' plan...that's very silly. It's making me think that you are the sole male wolf, and the rest are females, so it would be okay for you to sacrifice yourself because you know that there will still be two female wolves left in the end - the other one being killed along with her lover.

More later. I have a lot to answer to, obviously.

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by Lhunardawen

As for tgwbs' plan...that's very silly. It's making me think that you are the sole male wolf, and the rest are females, so it would be okay for you to sacrifice yourself because you know that there will still be two female wolves left in the end - the other one being killed along with her lover.

Interesting. The rest of this werewolf's post is a lot of hot air signifying a wish to survive, but this one paragraph could maybe fall under the heading of "speaking as much truth as a werewolf can get away with". You see, it seems to me that Farael is playing his typical game and that he has his sites set (probalby wrongly) on Kath; but his observation about Guy's non-lover-wolvish desire to get rid of all the men seems rather suspicious. I wouldn't put it past Guy in the least to say "I'm a werewolf" and actually be one. This "we have to get the lovers" desperation lends credence to such a thought.

So if you really want to double lynch someone (there being 17 voters), there are 6 voters to go including me, and if all 6 vote Guy, there's a chance that we might have gotten two werewolves. Obviously, Kath already has 4 votes, and lynching her though in my opinion probably incorrect, will at least clear up that issue. By the way, Eomer's quick agreement to Guy's 'Plan' leads me to worry about him as the possible other werewolf.

[Caranlondien]

And I wish I hadn't voted already! While I definitely think a vote for Lhuna is well-spent, it seems like my vote for her wasn't necessary to ensure her lynching. LMP, I agree about TGWBS's suspicious behavior, and if you guys try to get him double-lynched, I'm with you (in spirit, at least, since I already voted )

[littlemanpoet]

Thanks, Caranlondien. We'll hope for the best. I'll be back in about 3 1/2 hours, which is suppose to give me one more hour to read whatever's been written and vote...... right, ModGod's Prophet?

[tar-ancalime]

Hey, lmp--

I don't trust tgwbs any farther than I can throw him, but I'm skeptical of the suspicion he's engendered today.

Farael is pursuing what looks like a grudge.

You and others seem to think that his y-chromosome double lynch plan is enough to send him to the gallows.

But I'd caution you in particular, lmp--think back to past villages. Has there ever been anyone who advanced complex and unworkable plan after complex and unworkable plan, only to be found innocent in the end?

Again, not saying he's innocent; just that I don't think the problems with his plan are reason enough to lynch him.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Thanks, Caranlondien. We'll hope for the best. I'll be back in about 3 1/2 hours, which is suppose to give me one more hour to read whatever's been written and vote...... right, ModGod's Prophet?

He never said anything about being earlier or late, so ontime seems like a reasonable expectation.

Looking at the events over the last few hours since I've been online, I'm seeing one tread: more rational thought- which is definitely a good thing. Of course, it might just mean that TGWBS has gone to bed...

Speaking of TGWBS, I find it interesting, LMP, that you lump him together with Eomer and Farael as the main troublemakers. Not that I disagree with you on the fact that they have, by and large, stirred up the most confusion today, but considering that the three of them have held mostly opposing views, I wonder which of the three (assuming any of them) is the Werewolf?

After all, it seems highly unlikely to me that all three of the Werewolves would be drawing attention to themselves in such a way- especially since it seems that one of their own- Lhuna or Kath, since I'm not discounting Kath as a Werewolf- is on the voting block today. One, or even two, of them might try and make noise to distract the village- but not all three, surely! Since I consider Eomer and TGWBS the more likely of the three to be such audacious Werewolves, I'm willing to think Farael innocent for now. I somehow think that if he was a Werewolf, he'd be less noisy than he is as a Villager.

[littlemanpoet]

I realized that I can't count on werewolf Lhuna to help double lynch Guy if he's a werewolf, she being one of the six remaining voters, so:

++ Lhunardawen

We really need to get this werewolf lynched. That's seven votes. Five voters to go. Kath having 4 votes against her, let's see how these last five vote. I think it will tell us a lot.

tar, my reason for suspecting Guy for [u]this[/i] plan is because its motivation is self-confessedly to root out the lovers, which is more of a concern to the werewolves than to the innocents.

Formy, I only disagree with Farael because he's arguing forthrightly if wrongly in my opinion. Guy and Eomer, on the other hand, are foisting strange things that don't sit right. You, Formy, by the way, have defended Lhuna and voted for Kath, whose supposed guilt I think is a big distraction from the real werewolves. Farael has been caught up in it, which is a shame, but I think the werewolves are taking advantage of him and he'll look awfully guilty if/when Kath doesn't turn out to be a werewolf. I'm not saying that I have any set opinions on Kath, just that the case against her looks pretty trumped up. And as to her defense of herself and vote for Lhuna, she's in that precarious d'd if you do, d'd if you don't situation that my forebears have known all too well. That you Formy, and Eomer keep pointing at her worries me about you.

And just to reiterate some points I've made before:

I think tar-ancalime, Caranlondien, Thinlomien, Samwise, & Farael are probably innocent. I think that Gurthang & Cailín are probably not werewolves either. I'm not sure about Valier, Lalaith, Glirdan, Kath, Naria, & Celuien. I'm really suspicious of Formendacil, Eomer, & Guy. And I think Lhunardawen is so furry it must hurt.

[Farael]

Alright, there is not much more I can do here. Just a few parting comments before my vote.

*I am as certain as only the most insightful of ordos can be that Kath is a wolf.

*I am still not sold on this whole campaign of lynching Lhuna. I like LMP's idea of ridding ourselves of TGWBS, but is it possible to do him and Kath rather than him and Lhuna? if it is, I would strongly advise the village to do it. If it's not, let's rid ourselves of Kath first... and I might be swayed to lynch Lhuna if Kath turns out not to be a werewolf... but I am confident she will be.

*I think that Formen may be one of the lovers. I think Kath might be his loved one. He has been distancing himself from Kath yet not going straight at her neck.... He might be playing a dangerous game but it does not look likely that Kath will be lynched. I'd like to see how he reacts when Kath is in serious danger.

So I propose, let's Lynch Kath tonight and let Formen feel the bitter taste of defeat.

Formen, either you are a cunning lover or a cunning wolf. But you are too cunning for this village anyhow.

++Kath

And if any of you have an ounce of brain, you will follow myexample. You will see.

[Farael]

Cross posted with LMP

My friend, you are wise... wise yet misguided. Kath is a wolf and I know so for sure. Lhuna is more of a gray zone just now. We will probably know soon anyway.

Fellow villagers, I beseech you. I understand where the Lhuna voters are coming from, yet let me tell you, Kath is a werewolf for certain. Don't waste your votes on someone who may or may not turn furry.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Farael

*I think that Formen may be one of the lovers. I think Kath might be his loved one. He has been distancing himself from Kath yet not going straight at her neck.... He might be playing a dangerous game but it does not look likely that Kath will be lynched. I'd like to see how he reacts when Kath is in serious danger.

I can promise you, Farael that I'm not. The fact that I shall not die when Kath does- tonight, tomorrow, or whenever, should probably be proof enough for you.

So I propose, let's Lynch Kath tonight and let Formen feel the bitter taste of defeat.

I think you have your words mixed up... It's "victory" you're looking for, not "defeat".

Formen, either you are a cunning lover or a cunning wolf. But you are too cunning for this village anyhow.

I'm honoured. So it's impossible to be cunning and helpful at the same time? Such a pity... Guess I'll have to give up trying to be helpful.