Tol-in-Gaurhoth XIX: Ang Sagang Daga, bow.

[Caranlondien]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

I think the wolves are more interested in finding Seers than in framing anyone, right now

I agree. I think we've been wasting time toDay... but let's not argue about whether we've been wasting time, because that will waste time, too

Okay, I think LMP is looking suspicious. His attack on Eomer and Lhuna as the lovers has come across pretty strong. But I'm not inclined to think their behavior suggests them as lovers. Despite what I said yesterDay about keeping our eyes open for both wolves and lovers, I think that evidence for lovers will be harder to collect. I doubt that the lovers would want to do anything to connect themselves with one another, and they would at least hide their defenses of each other within larger lists of suspected/not suspected.

I'm also somewhat skeptical about TGWBS. Much as he may idolize our dear prophet, his continuous declaration that he is a wolf has so far worked. Yes, he did come close to being lynched yesterDay. But he wasn't. I just think we should keep our eyes on him, and not definitively rule him out.

And finally,

Originally Posted by Thinlomien

I'm a bit worried about spawn. Why, you might ask. I agree that she's been sensible and convincing. And that's the problem with her. I'm worried that I trust her and I'm worried that other people trust her as well. If she's a wolf or a lover, we're in a big bad trouble, if the game continues like this concerning suspicions towards her.

I agree. Helpfulness doesn't rule someone out as a possible wolf.

EDIT: Cross-posted with Formendacil

[Cailín]

The sheer size of this village makes it almost impossible for one with limited time available to keep up, and I think most of us are very eager to simply vote for the loudest. This makes it extremely easy for quiet, subtle wolves to hide. However, I fear nothing can be done about it right now – except we need to lynch some people, fast. *that sounds rather…bloodthirsty*

I shall just look into the people drawing attention for now. Glirdan previously analysed the very quiet, and found little to nothing. Voting records will tell us more soon, I hope.

As for speculating why Anguirel got lynched, it was probably more of a why not? question, though I cannot get rid of the feeling that the wolves thought to have caught a Seer.

Anyone else in favour of lynching another guy tonight? Rid the wolves of the male population and increase our chances of finding the Lover soon? Heheh. I bet the Ordo-Lover will vote for a female player tonight. So, starting with the girrrls:

Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant

I cannot play a game without suspecting her. However, she has made a great deal of sense. To answer your question, Spawn:

So, if Anguirel had been a Seer, it wouldn't have been a set-up and we'd be all questioning Kath with good reasons? The fact that Anguirel was an ordinary villager instead of a Seer doesn't chance the wolves' motives to kill him. They didn't know who he was.

No. As I said before, Kath could not possibly be a wolf thinking the Seer found her. Ang didn’t pursue her further, did he? He would have had he been a suicidal Seer. I think it’s the Seer hints, combined with the righteous defence of Garin that got them thinking. I’m merely speculating, however. Like you, I’m trying to make sense of it all.

Kath

Kath has over the past few games specialised in the act of being suspicious, so I tend to be lenient. Her vote for Eomer resembles… something, which makes me immediately alert. On the other hand, Eomer has history against him. Since it is Day 1, the vote doesn’t look too weird.

There’s been little input from Kath toDay. I cannot suspect her on so little evidence. However, I shall be watching her closely.

Lhunardawen

Cases against Lhuna have been made a lot toDay already. I sympathise with most arguments, however, I think she is blamed too much for leaving the tie. She knew Dancing Spawn was still around, as were a few others. It’s hard to believe she meant to orchestrate a double lynch. Her vote was relatively safe, and little explained, but not extraordinary. Maybe I am misled, but Lhuna does not seem the most wolvish. Probably she is merely adjusting from not coping with timezone diseases.

Lalaith

Well, on first sight Lalaith strikes me as an ordinary. I voted for her yesterDay… admittedly, because I wished to cast my vote for someone 1) who had been around already 2) who would certainly be around later 3) by whose reaction I could somehow maybe find something on them, while I normally would just allow her to slip beneath the radar. Of course, she handled the situation perfectly, as may be expected from an experienced player. Her vote for TGWBS seems not so unreasoned as Lhuna would have it appear. TGWBS would be just the sort of person trying to get away with saying “I’m a wolf” as much as possible, just to be able to gloat later on.

Her posts toDay are rather general, helpful in a non-commiting way. She seems a typical ordinary. I don’t suspect her too much.

Thinlomien

Well, Lommy appears on the list because she’s such a genuinely nice girl. Ho-hum. She spent the first day agreeing with others… She seems to consider all sides of the argument, which is a very Dutch and unproductive way to go about things. Then suddenly she follows Anguirel, voting Glirdan whom she did not suspect before. Later on, she states she made a wrong decision. Did she try to align herself with an innocent? Convenient that Ang died last night, then. This is odd though. And really very nice, too.

Today she considers Lhuna’s case, and points our attention towards the silent ones. She further says nothing particularly interesting, except for a slight concern she might be trusting Spawn too much (and don’t we all?). I’m a bit worried about you, Thin.

The other girls / women did not make close examining for various reasons. Tar-ancalime I find, makes good sense and contributes to the discussion. Celuien I need around for therapeutical reasons. Besides, she has not done anything truly suspicious – her vote for Garin is incriminating, but hardly wolvish. I’m still undecided about newcomer Caranlondien and Valier is her usual annoying self. Naria has said too little. As always.

[Formendacil]

Lot's of interesting thoughts there, Cailín. Your remarks about Thinlómien quoted just below gave me a thought:

Originally Posted by Cailín

Well, Lommy appears on the list because she’s such a genuinely nice girl. Ho-hum. She spent the first day agreeing with others… She seems to consider all sides of the argument, which is a very Dutch and unproductive way to go about things. Then suddenly she follows Anguirel, voting Glirdan whom she did not suspect before. Later on, she states she made a wrong decision. Did she try to align herself with an innocent? Convenient that Ang died last night, then. This is odd though. And really very nice, too.

Today she considers Lhuna’s case, and points our attention towards the silent ones. She further says nothing particularly interesting, except for a slight concern she might be trusting Spawn too much (and don’t we all?). I’m a bit worried about you, Thin.

There was a wolf once, back in a village that some of you may remember (Amanaduial, in my game, XVI), who was new at the game, and tried to take a very balanced view of things, looking at all sides of the situation, and consequently being accused of flip-flopping, and ultimately got lynched.

Is it possible that we have a similar case here? I'm inclined to think not, since Thinlómien has a few games of experience under her belt from the Junior string of games. However, she also claims that is her normal playing style. If so, it would be excellent cover for a Werewolf. Alas, I have not played with her, and I've barely dipped my toes into the games I've not played, so I do not know if she's playing to her normal standard or not...

On to another topic:

The interesting thought occured to me that the three main candidates up for lynching last night were male: Garin, Glirdan, and TGWBS. Is it possible, that in the flurry of tying/tie-breaking votes there at the end that one of our female players was trying to save- or did save- her lover?

[Valier]

Originally Posted by Cailin

Valier is her usual annoying self.

I totally take offence to this! Saying I'm strange or weird ok...but ANNOYING! I shall go pout now! *POUTS*

[Cailín]

So, the men.

Littlemanpoet

Well, he has always been a bit on the defensive side, I daresay. Now that I see Eomer was indeed just being random, I have little reason to suspect him. Other than that he has said little enough, he does not come across as a wolvish fiend.

The guy who be short

I discussed him briefly earlier. His behaviour seems… rather odd. Of course, he was bound to vote for himself as a Nilp-fan, however, he has not yet dropped the act. As I said before, TGWBS the wolf would possibly be tempted to pull off such a mega-bluff. Since he made much sense toDay, aside from claiming he’s a wolf every 2 seconds, I shall direct my attention elsewhere.

Farael

An interesting player, Farael. He suspects Kath, he is supposed to be mentally afflicted, and yet manages to post coherently most of the time. I was initially very suspicious of him because he did not act out his profession and I am still wary. I’m sure Nilp would have killed himself even had we all voted for ourselves. What he says is not unreasonable, though.

Glirdan

Has bravely analysed the quiet villagers. This of course allows him to post without really voicing his own thoughts. A safe way out, were he fanged and hairy. He was in quite a dangerous spot for a while, yesterDay, and particularly because of Anguirel. His posting does seem different, as has been remarked upon before. Whether this is at his fellow wolves insistance or because he is a bored ordo trying a new style, I do not know. I am hesitant to believe Glirdan is the Lover, though.

Formendacil

Is clearly not Lhuna’s ‘secret’ Lover. Everyone knows, right? Aside from that, Formendacil seems no different than normal. Based on the same method he uses to determine our guilt, I’d say he’s guiltless. However, I am not certain.

Eonwe

Eonwe is getting on my nerves too. His vote seems so… utterly random. I would think – were he guilty – he’d be more into it, though.

I have not included detailed analysis of Eomer and SamwiseGamgee. I’d lie if I said I didn’t suspect Eomer, but what else is new? He confuses me too much to make a case against him, though. SamwiseGamgee I think is an innocent right now. I’m not sure, but he has said nothing really alarming.

I totally take offence to this! Saying I'm strange or weird ok...but ANNOYING! I shall go pout now! *POUTS*

Sorry Valier. It's not a crime to be annoying.

Formendacil - your thoughts about Thinlomien are similar to mine. However, and I hope you do not take offence, I would prefer to vote for one of my male suspects.

[Naria]

Ok, I'm here--busy day,sorry. Looks like it's been a busy Day here as well. I will have to go back and read what everyone has said and try to come up with something. No promises(in regards to lots of substance)with such a big village and this early, but I will try.

[littlemanpoet]

Up to #214....

Originally Posted by Caranlondien

Okay, I think LMP is looking suspicious. His attack on Eomer and Lhuna as the lovers has come across pretty strong.

Ahem. Please note that I was asked for an explanation of my Day 1 vote, and gave it. That explanation is not best read as an attack upon Lhuna and Eomer as Lovers, but as my rationale for yesterDay's vote.

I'll say now that there are a few individuals that have been so concise and well reasoned, and suspecting the same people I suspect, that I consider them to be (for the rest of toDay) above suspicion. They are: Eomer, Spawn, & tar-ancalime.