WWJ VI: Return to Midsomer Mawlin - Kill me again

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

For this kind of reasons too, I would be sticking more happily to this "not participating" -tactics as a first reason to go on with the votes this first evening.

There are so far 5 people (Diamond, Sleepy, Gil, Azaelia and Oddwen) who have not yet posted anything, due to the timezones, most probably. But if some people still stand on this kind of list as the day draws to a close?

And a random spread-vote has one great problem in it. We risk lynching a vocal (and thence possibly helpful) villager with a probability of 3/4. That's just too much for us villagers, and would suit the wolves just fine... (they won't be wasting their time, during the nights, on the silent ones)

I'm sorry, but I honestly don't see where you're coming from. I live in an area (EST) which makes it so hard for me to get online right after the start of the game. My entry times will vary each day, but expect me right around this time on weekdays.

I think your call to lynch the quiet ones came just a bit too early. I can see if maybe I didn't show up until right before the deadline, or had missed the first day entirely without advance notice, then yes. There might be some justification there to lynch me (though I wouldn't be happy about it, of course). But just a few hours late? I'm sure I speak for all of us "silent ones" when I say, please, a little grace period would be wonderful.

And before anyone picks on me for voting early, this is a heads-up. I am going to be voting in a few hours, possibly sooner, because of time constraints again.

And allow me to say, if nothing changes, I will probably be voting for you, Norgod, just because your eagerness to get rid of the people who may not be able to get online for a few more hours just doesn't sit right with me.

Cheers!

[Boromir88]

I'm sure I speak for all of us "silent ones" when I say, please, a little grace period would be wonderful.~Azaelia

When we have wolves no one deserves a grace period, darling. Though I do agree that timezones and other RL reasons should be taken into consideration and not make "quietness" the soul reason to lynch someone.

That way if somebody, for example, says "Fea's a wolf.", they'll actually have some evidence to back them up.~Fea

You know my tape recorder is still playing? Do we have a confession!

Far too eager to lynch the quiet ones. It's only been 3 to 4 hours and he's worrying about this. I won't retract my vote at this point today unless something major comes to light wot wot.~mormegil

Fine deduction mormegil. In fact it's very unusual to have wolves laying back quietly the first day. Now I know this goes to incriminate me, but wolves like to stick their paws in business. Eventhough, there is typically a quiet, flying under the radar, type wolf, to obscure from discussion on Day 1 for wolves is unusual. They have an advantage we don't, they know who they are and they already come into the day with a strategy and a plan for how they can stick their paws in the situation.

So, I would agree with mormegil and say that Nogrod you are definitely looking odd with your persistance to get us focused on the "quiet" ones. We aren't hear to lynch quiet people, we're here to lynch wolves.

[Boromir88]

Oh one more thing...

I agree, Boro, that the Mystery Machine is an odd contraption. But in my defense, it was my friend Fred's idea.~Jenny

Well aiding and abedding my dear should not go unpunished. So, he goes by Fred, hey, I wonder what person in this village would go by that alias. Well, there was this famous female author, that I forget, who used a male name as a pen name, because ladies weren't allowed to be writing back in the day or something. Is it the same case with this Fred? Doe was have a female going by a male alias? Hmm...

Feanor
Azaelia
Jenny
Firefoot
Kitanna
Diamond
Oddwen

Those are all the female villager (I hope at least if I'm wrong please correct me and you'll have my full apology). So, which one goes by Fred? Well can't be Jenny, unless she has a multiple personality...in the day she's Jenny, and by night she's Fred? Hmmm...

I would imagine Feanor to use a much more sophisticated name then Fred, since she's Fea.

To figure this out, I do have a female friend who named her horse Mr. Fred...how funny is that? Firefoot is the name of a horse, therefor Firefoot is this Fred, so Firefoot is Fred! By golly I did it. Firefoot, there a secret you want to tell us? Where were you on the night of December 15, 1995?

[Firefoot]

To figure this out, I do have a female friend who named her horse Mr. Fred...how funny is that? Firefoot is the name of a horse, therefor Firefoot is this Fred, so Firefoot is Fred! By golly I did it. Firefoot, there a secret you want to tell us? Where were you on the night of December 15, 1995?

Fred? How dull a name (no offense if any of your names is Fred...). My name isn't Fred. Case in point.

While I can see where many of you are coming from with your points about Nogrod, I'm not sure that it merits lynching him. The problem with retractable votes is people are so eager to get votes out there you can't tell if they're completely serious or just trying to put them out there. You say that Nogrod's too eager to lynch the quiet ones, but some of you seem extremely eager to lynch Nogrod... on the other hand, I'm not sure a wolf would be that forward.

[Boromir88]

You say that Nogrod's too eager to lynch the quiet ones, but some of you seem extremely eager to lynch Nogrod... on the other hand, I'm not sure a wolf would be that forward.~Firefoot

Usually that's not the case, though again who knows what the wolves strategy is as far as sticking out there and voting first?

Now I would usually hone in on Azaelia because she quickly followed mormegil's vote for Nogrod. However, if this is the last chance she'll be on, and as she has given viable reason to suspect him (and really that is the most suspicious thing-even though I agree that it doesn't constitute a "let's throw Nogrod in the middle for a public stoning.") then she seems more innocent then some as of right now.

Well through some deductions, as far as this moment I am inclined to believe that Azaelia, Diamond, and Firefoot are innocent (at this moment in time, doesn't mean I can't change.

Azaelia, as explained above. Firefoot for her sensible post, I hope she continues to make contributions like that. Diamond, because of her response to my comment on diamonds being bad.

So for me, as of right now before I retire, this leaves:

Jenny Hallu
Feanor of the Peredhil
Kitanna
Mormegil
Nogrod
Sleepy Ranger
Gil-galad
Kuruharan
Oddwen

Sleepy, Gil-galad, and Oddwen have yet to say something. Oddwen was going to have difficulty finding time, so for now I can't hold anything against her. Gil-galad is going to be Gil-galad he'll be an easy target to be lynched...well because he's Gil-galad. Sleepy I have yet to encounter with so I will with hold judgement on him for now.

Kuru and mormegil unless one of them is a kind wolf and admits it I won't cry for lynching them as their input would be valuable. But, I must say I expect more from mormegil his behavior seems rather eccentric. I don't know I expect him to post more, if you get what I mean. He has made his random accusations, like most everyone else, but usually he posts something of substance and I haven't seen it. But, since this is Day 1 and there isn't much substance I can give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

Jenny and Fea are in a lighthearted mood. Which doesn't seem too suspicious, I would expect wolves to act more sorrowfully (I love making up words) acting as they are so depressed and sad over our Mithalwen's death, when really their grinning underneath their tears. I haven't encountered Jenny until now, but I don't put anything past the wheeling and deeling Fea.

Kitanna comes on does a random accusation of Firefoot, not much to say on her.

Nogrod, most suspicious looking, but nothing that cries out that he's a werewolf.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Boromir

Fine deduction mormegil

Later

Originally Posted by Boromir

I expect more from mormegil his behavior seems rather eccentric. I don't know I expect him to post more, if you get what I mean. He has made his random accusations, like most everyone else, but usually he posts something of substance and I haven't seen it.

A bit of a contradiction. You compliment my deduction and later say I've posted nothing of substance. My friend verbosity does not equate to substance. Now my dear Boro do you care to explain.

Originally Posted by Firefoot

While I can see where many of you are coming from with your points about Nogrod, I'm not sure that it merits lynching him.

Oh yes it does!

Originally Posted by Firefoot

The problem with retractable votes is people are so eager to get votes out there you can't tell if they're completely serious or just trying to put them out there.

True but know that I am.

Originally Posted by Firefoot

I'm not sure a wolf would be that forward.

Yes they would.

[Gil-Galad]

alas it is a bad time for this village... during times like these plagues democarcy is vacant and many innocents lose their lives

[Oddwen]

Well well nae, mah wee bairns, seems we have a fouul murrrrrrrder on aer hands...

True - Nogrod seems hasty to accuse the quiet ones early - and Morm & B88 - sparring off?

Originally Posted by Nogrod

We risk lynching a vocal (and thence possibly helpful) villager with a probability of 3/4. That's just too much for us villagers, and would suit the wolves just fine... (they won't be wasting their time, during the nights, on the silent ones)

Who says all the vocal people are helpful? And how do you know the wolves think the quiet ones are a "waste"? So early in the game? And again?

Originally Posted by b88

Doe was have a female going by a male alias? Hmm...

What if this "Fred" is short for "Alfreda", hmm?
Bah.

I'll see about more in the morning.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Well. My time is up, as I have other things that must get done this evening (ie homework, talking with family members, etc). I've been sitting here waiting for anyone to post, but no such luck.

So here's my vote.

++Norgod

Because I said I would, and nothing has happened to change my mind. I hate voting this early on, since I don't have a good sense of who anyone is yet. First days are always tough, and time restrictions don't make it any easier. My vote actually has a reason behind it: so far, he seems to be the most aggressive toward silent members, and that sent up a red flag, since it was so early on in the day, and in the life of this village.

Norgod, there is a hole in your reasoning: you claim that spreading out the vote will cause us to lynch a vocal, and therefore helpful villager. Sure, perhaps in terms of outward appearance. But what if that person whose vocal-ness (ha! new word!) you value so much is really a wolf, masquerading as a helpful, talkative villager?

Granted, a quiet villager could be a wolf trying to fly under the radar, as it were. There's two sides to any argument.

I'm not saying lynch the loud ones. I'm not saying lynch the quiet ones. I'm saying, think, and think hard before voting, even on the first day.

I realize that being hte second vote for someone looks suspicious especially to a person in favor of spreading out the vote. I don't trust anyone's innocence but my own at this point, and am voting for the person who I find most suspicious. I'm not going to try to spread out the vote and go after someone who hasn't even had a chance to speak yet, because it isn't fair.

Edit: Cross-posted with Boro.

Boro, perhaps my wording was off, in that statement in question. What I meant to say is that I think that an early call to lynch people who haven't spoken yet is not necessarily the right way to go about it, and to give people a chance to speak before crying wolf. Who knows, maybe our seer is one of the people who haven't spoken yet.