Tol-in-Gaurhoth XIX: Ang Sagang Daga, bow.

[Eonwe]

Not so my good lumberjack. As I understand it, the lovers are a team in and of themselve, meaning both must survive to win. Therefore, we can, I think, treat this game like anyother, making it our sole priority to weed out the wolves. For when we kill all the wolves, as we must, our traitorous villain's plans must come to naught.

Is it not reasonable to suspcet that there will be two male wolves and two female wolves? Maybe not, but how would you choose the Lovers, if one wolf must be the lover and the other lover must be of teh opposite gender?

EDIT: No, it is not reasonable to assume that. Nilp probably chose all four wolves, randomly chose the wolf lover out of those, and then randomly chose the human lover out of the pool of innocencts of the opposite gender.

[Caranlondien]

Originally Posted by Eonwe

Not so my good lumberjack. As I understand it, the lovers are a team in and of themselve, meaning both must survive to win. Therefore, we can, I think, treat this game like anyother, making it our sole priority to weed out the wolves. For when we kill all the wolves, as we must, our traitorous villain's plans must come to naught.

While I agree that looking only for wolves would simplify things, I think that there are also some problems with exclusively looking for wolves. As we search for wolves, each of us has a set of "parameters", so to speak, that we think a wolf will fit. A lover-wolf will not necessarily fit those same parameters. He or she will behave differently than will the other wolves - for the lover-wolf has someone to be protected at all costs. Though all the wolves will likely try to protect each other, it is all right for them to make a sacrifice. For a lover, this is not acceptable.

In short, I think that while we're looking for wolves, we might miss the lover-wolf. So we should keep our eyes open for both.

[Valier]

Originally Posted by Garin

Agreed, I find it unlikely that a Lover would be so bold but from what I know of Valier ... I'm not convinced that her tendency toward unbridaled giddiness can be discounted.

Tsk! Tsk! Garin! You know me not then, for what possible harm could a small, sweet thing like me do? *bats eyelashes*

I may be sweet, but I am not in love! I just felt bad is all, for poor TGWBS who has gone and ripped out his beard. I said I would make some for everyone! Now I'm not so sure *pouts*

Why anyone would campaign for their own death baffles me. I shall read some more. I will say I will not vote for either "campaigner" today, that is just sillyness. They must be striken with grief over our prophets death.

[Eonwe]

Hm. Maybe you have a point. I hadn't thought of the the lover-wolf's point of view: he only wins if his partner is alive. Even if he survivse, and his lover is dead, he doesn't win, does he?

Either way, killing four must be done to win. Of course, it doen't hurt to assess someone based on what you think of as a wolf profile. That will only bring us one step closer to victory.

[Anguirel]

As I see it, suspicion is suspicion.

If we hang a Lover, luck is with us and we should praise the Gods of the Thickets and Mushrooms.

And if we hang a wolf, likewise.

But by every hedgehog in yonder wood, I swear we'll oft find Lover where we thought to find wolf, oft Wolf where we ought to find lover, and more often innocent instead of either.

The wisest suggestions can be the largest mistakes. There's no such thing as concentrating on lovers or wolves. Nor even as concentrating on lovers and wolves. Some will wrong and some be wronged.

And the innocent will be throttled, inevitably, as Nilp was. So this is a futile discussion over hypothetical catches in a wide and hostile realm of possibilities.

I go to slay a boar and drink its blood. Mead lacks in hard times, but boar's blood never lets a man down.

[Anguirel]

It cannot be stressed enough, Eonwe, wayfaring stranger-if one Lover dies, the other perishes too. Twould be sad were it not so twisted...

[Eonwe]

Indeed, well said, Ang. You put my points most sucinctly.

Guy Who Be Short, is of course, baffling me. I have my suspicions as to his motives, but I will withhold them until I deem the time right.

Edit and cross posted: Ah-ha, now we have the full truth. So one dies when the other dies, very interesting.

[Garin]

Ah-ha, now we have the full truth. So one dies when the other dies, very interesting.

Thanks for finally doing your homework. Thusly, killing either lovers would benefit us because we would be down one wolf, one innocent but still up two seers.

Sounds good to me.

[Eonwe]

Originally Posted by Garin

Thanks for finally doing your homework.

Did I mention I was a lazy way-faring stranger? Coincidentally, I just copied Ang's...

[Kath]

Garin, even if both Lovers die if one is killed, it is still better to go after the wolvish Lover than the innocent one, as there is a higher chance of finding that one. Also, I didn't understand the two Seers comment, why should they be affected?

[Anguirel]

But, Garin, I must stress that killing a Lover specifically, rather than a wolf, is bound to be a matter of chance, and so in terms of strategy, it is probably wiser to defend ourselves with well-trained warrior ferrets.

This village is a snakepit with a few gold and silver ingots in it. If you plunge in your hand and emerge unharmed with a silver ingot, are you really likely to complain that you didn't get a gold one?

Really, Garin, if I didn't know it was just like you, I'd think this stubbornness of yours to prolong debate over a barren issue was most suspicious...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

My defence of Lhuna was overdue, for everytime in the game of Werewolf I attack her with wolvish ways.

Probability dictates that she is finally a werewolf now...but I'm willing to play along.

Nothing much interesting has happened yet, apart from TGWBS and Garin's votes for themselves. Could be wolvish attempts to hide but I'm inclined to leave them for the moment.

They might be pursuing a strategy. At least, their behaviour might tell us something

This is my strategy: I will not explain it just now, I will merely hope that at least a few other villagers will understand what I'm trying to do.

See how it's followed up, you know?

++LITTLEMANPOET

Probably quite a dangerous thing to do, but apart from my royal ways (and my magnificent skill with music and singing and arts in general; as well as my pleasant demeanour and delightful good looks) I'm expendable.

Just....don't think this is too weird, ok? Think about what I'm doing and what it could do for the village.

And good night! Let's catch a wolf.

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

This is my strategy: I will not explain it just now, I will merely hope that at least a few other villagers will understand what I'm trying to do.

See how it's followed up, you know?

++LITTLEMANPOET

If you feel you must. 'Twould be a shame if it backfired...

[Formendacil]

Hmm....

How does one post posts of sustantial content on Day 1? Unless someone is foolish enough to make some major slipups (and that's unlikely in a village this experienced), there is no reason as yet to start jumping on people's cases. Glirdan, for example, is chronically known to overreact to accusations. Until another day has passed and we see the death of another of our number, there is no point or reason to trying to analyze each other's votes. All we can do is make a lot of senseless noise, post a vote, and then move on to the Night....

Or one can post suggestions about how to make Day 1 more useful and helpful. Quite frankly, I have nothing in common with such suggestors. A look over my Day 1 record will reveal a good deal of irreverence on them. I'm not, by and large, inclined to take them overly seriously.

Of course, I must at some point in this Day vote. Here's my list of candidates:

dancing spawn of ungoliant: With a name like that she's probably evil, and ought to be killed, but her being Nilp's paramour and all, I think that, on this day of mourning at least, I shall give her a bye.
Kath: Perenially suspicious, typically an Ordo- typically quiet. We may as well lynch her and have done with it.
Lhunardawen: Dear little sis... Like one Eomer of the Rohirrim I cannot vote for thee so soon, and with no reason. But think not that mine brotherly ways shall save thee if a Wolf thou art!
Caranlondien: A newcomer to this realm. I'll let her have a full day at it rather than casting my random vote at the newbie.
tar-ancalime: A witch, and a history of being a Werewolf. A tempting vote, if only to be safe...
Cailín: Always a suspicious player, but so typically an Ordo (but not always...). Not crossing her off as the "recipionist" of my vote today.
Celuien: A frog and a psychiatrist? Typically Ordo, though...
Naria: Always vaguely suspicious. One is inclined to vote her off just to clear the waters a little.
Valier: Suspicious this one can be, but transparent is more accurate, I'd say- a transparency that some paranoid players translate into suspicion. She'll not get my vote- today.
Lalaith: The epitome of the quiet wolf- if she is one. Otherwise, seems fated to be an ordo. Killing her may be advisable just to make sure she's not a Wolf again...
Thinlómien: Don't know her playing style well. I'll leave her be this day, at least.
Garin: His playing style begs suspicion- always and everytime. And his track record's not so good either (two out three times as a Wolf- I think?). A consideration...
Formendacil: Unless I did a Nilp, this would not even be a consideration, and since doing a Nilp has already been done, I clearly can't do that. Too easily misconstrued as a cop-out.
littlemanpoet: Verbal, noisy, and confident player, but not one to be stereotyped as an Ordo. I'll pass him by today if only to keep his keen brain around.
Glirdan: As previously mentioned, he's perennially jumpy. Looks completely normal thus far. No vote from me...
Farael: Why do I suspect him of developing an SPM-complex, of "Never having been a Wolf, so must be an Ordo"? He's a possibility for the random vote...
Anguirel: Typically a very keen player, one the Wolves should fear. I see no reason to think him anything but an innocent- save maybe that he's being a bit more helpful than he usually does on Day 1. Not enough reason to receive my random vote, that.
Eomer: With his wolfing record, he'd be a possibility for today even if I was Seering Partner with him. Definitely a possibility.
Gurthang: Been an innocent all the times I've played with him, but Gurthang does tend to attract suspicion. Too early to say...
the guy who be short: Don't trust anything this Guy says, unless he's given a clear bill of non-Wolfishness by a Seer- then listen to everything he says.
SamwiseGamgee: Never played with him before. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for today...

So, that leaves me with Kath, Tar-Ancalime, Cailín, Celuien, Naria, Lalaith, Garin, Farael, Eomer, Gurthang, and TGWBS- more than enough people to be going on with for a Day 1. No real suspicions here, just reasons ever so slightly better than the people crossed off the list.

I shall return.