Survivor: The Second Age

[Formendacil]

The Tenth day of voting was a day of wheeling and dealing. Votes were shifted back and forth, and several candidates appeared as fully possible lynchees. In the end, the voting fell as follows:

Oropher: I
Anárion: I
Celebrimbor: I
Círdan: I

Elrond: II

Amandil: IIIII

Erendis: IIIII I

Eomer of the Wargs let out a great cry of victory at the eviction of his least-favourite candidate, while H.A.G. plotted his assassination...

Originally Posted by A Diamond in the Rough

May I be so bold as to inquire, Form, which of the 4 Celeborn votes would have made the cut under your more stringent tallying? Most importantly, would mine have?

Actually, it's my policy to keep them secret.

The main reason being that, since my "stringent" form of tallying votes has no consistent criteria, I don't want arguments about who's vote is legit and who's isn't.

That was the idea yesterday, anyway. Today I simply cannot recall whose names made it...

Oh, and Spawn, thanks for pointing out the Spelling Error regarding Oropher. Clearly, my thoughts do not dwelling on Sindarin princes...

Those remaining:

Tribe of the Noldor:
Elrond Peredhil
Galadriel
Celebrimbor

Tribe of the Sindar:
Celeborn
Círdan
Oropher
Celebrían

Tribe of the Númenoreans:
Elros Tar-Minyatur
Tar-Míriel

Tribe of the Elendili:
Amandil
Elendil
Anárion
Ohtar

Tribe of the Other Speakers:
Narvi
Fangorn (Treebeard)
Fimbrethil

Tribe of the Baddies:
Sauron
The Witch-king

Day 11 may now begin. Vote away! The Elendili and the Sindar continue to have the most remaining candidates. The Baddies, however, are now tied with the Númenoreans for losing.

[mormegil]

++Elrond

Agent Elrond must go. He's not that wise yet, he's not funny, he's has limited personality. He's just not working out and it's time to let you go.

[Anguirel]

++SAURON

Don't you want to see the Witch-King giving Mordor an Angmar-style makeover?

Compare the Witch-King's destruction of Arnor to Sauron's failed invasions of Gondor.

It's clear that as well as having a more interesting character and being a Man, not some intoxicated spirit, the Witch-King has vastly, vastly more Dark Lord potential...

[Formendacil]

The Eleventh day of voting was quieter than its predecessor, possibly due to its falling on the weekend. A clear trend towards anti-Elrond voting seemed to be growing... In the end, the voting fell as follows:

Sauron: I
Narvi: I
Amandil: I
Círdan: I

Oropher: IIIII

Elrond: IIIII I

However, due to a certain Moderator's stated threat of recounting votes so that only those with Tolkien-based reasoning (as judged by his own criteria) were counted, the voting REALLY fell as follows:

Sauron: I
Círdan: I
Narvi: I

Elrond: II

Oropher: III

Oropher is gone. Those wishing for an Elrondian eviction must wait till the morrow.

Those remaining:

Tribe of the Noldor:
Elrond Peredhil
Galadriel
Celebrimbor

Tribe of the Sindar:
Celeborn
Círdan
Celebrían

Tribe of the Númenoreans:
Elros Tar-Minyatur
Tar-Míriel

Tribe of the Elendili:
Amandil
Elendil
Anárion
Ohtar

Tribe of the Other Speakers:
Narvi
Fangorn (Treebeard)
Fimbrethil

Tribe of the Baddies:
Sauron
The Witch-king

Day 12 may now begin. Vote away- but remember that only those votes with Tolkien-related rationale are guaranteed to be counted! The Elendili now hold a clear lead.

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

However, due to a certain Moderator's stated threat of recounting votes so that only those with Tolkien-based reasoning (as judged by his own criteria) were counted, the voting REALLY fell as follows:

I rather hate to say it, but it appears to me that your criteria is simply based on how you want things to go. By your own admission, you counted all the non-Tolkien-based votes for Khamul just because you wanted to save Celeborn, and you have now taken your "stringent" stance to save Elrond. If you are to be the moderator you ought to give up "personal criteria" in the name of being fair and impartial. Moderators don't dictate the game, they simply observe and tabulate. I don't believe it should be the moderator's role to judge the votes, not secretly, and certainly not when said moderator admits to personal bias. And if you don't say whose votes you counted and whose you did not, that creates even more of an unfair, partial flavor to the whole thing. Because by leaving your "own criteria" un-explained you break the very rule you expect the other players to heed.

For one thing, it takes all the strategy and variants out of the game -- or, should I say, takes the Game out of the game. A strict, Tolkien-logic-only based discussion of character merits belongs in The Books. This is Middle-earth Mirth. If players aren't allowed to play a Survivor-esque game of Middle-earth Survivor, I'm not sure why anyone should bother.

[Kuruharan]

I rather hate to say it, but it appears to me that your criteria is simply based on how you want things to go.

-and-

This is Middle-earth Mirth. If players aren't allowed to play a Survivor-esque game of Middle-earth Survivor, I'm not sure why anyone should bother.

Hear, hear!

And far be it from me to mention somebody's inability to keep a consistent ending time in the context of this discussion...

[Lhunardawen]

Gasp! The mod's suffering from terrible mood swings!

So what's the real score? Do I have to vote for Oropher again, or should I spread trouble elsewhere?

[Lalaith]

I didn't even get a chance to vote yesterday...partly because I had NO idea when the voting day would end, they seem to fluctuate as wildly as said mood swings.

Ho Hum.

[Diamond18]

As I said above, I don't see how the game can continue the way the votes are being counted (or not counted ) without being a sham, so I hope, Form, that you will either agree to count all votes or make it clear which votes you are counting and which votes you are not. Also the "criteria" as to what is Tolkien enough or not Tolkien enough should be made crystal clear and should not change from round to round.

But that is in reference to the future. What is now past ought to be fixed.

My suggestion at the moment is this: either reinstate Khamul and evict Celeborn, or reinstate Oropher and evict Elrond. Because you cannot have it both ways without admitting that you are not playing fair with us. I know it's a bold suggestion, but we have all invested a bit of time and thought into this game, so I hope you don't mean to claim full power.

I'm going out on a limb here, but I think the recent tabulations merit a bit of an outcry.

[Lalaith]

Quite.
What is this, a Florida election?
*ducks under hail of hanging chads*

[Anguirel]

You Parliamentarians, the Mod is Mod and his power is absolute. If you don't like it, work against it, but he provides the frameworks of the game and that gives him certain rights.

See the Silmarillion Survivor for an example of how a completely and openly skewed moderator can actually add some sense of purpose to the game...I hope...

[Formendacil]

The Twelth day of voting was deeply troubled by arguments amongst the voting spectators. Many disappeared in the disturbance. All Arda Envinyanta seemed stirred by the accusations of corruption. In the end, after a comprehensive vote-counting, the voting fell as follows:

Celeborn: II

Elendil: III

Fangorn (Treebeard): IIII

EDIT:

Okay, here's the reason why I shouldn't be trusted, if any reason exists...

I just switched up the positions of Elendil and Fangorn...

I even had them counted right, too.

So, the true tally is:

Celeborn: II

Fangorn: III

Elendil: IIII

Meaning that this is nonsense:

NOT EDIT: Perhaps it was a subtle revenge at the often wordy Moderator that Treebeard was evicted, perhaps it was simply a strike at Eomer of the Rohirrim. Whatever the case, Fangorn of Fangorn was out of the game.

Those remaining:

Tribe of the Noldor:
Elrond Peredhil
Galadriel
Celebrimbor

Tribe of the Sindar:
Celeborn
Círdan
Celebrían

Tribe of the Númenoreans:
Elros Tar-Minyatur
Tar-Míriel

Tribe of the Elendili:
Amandil
Anárion
Ohtar

Tribe of the Other Speakers:
Narvi
Fangorn
Fimbrethil

Tribe of the Baddies:
Sauron
The Witch-king

Day 13 may now begin. I'd like to hope that my voting-analysis will clear things up a little, and that Day 13 will see a few more votes for characters (and really, having seen what you need to do, is it all THAT hard?) than today. 'Tis is truly ignominious way for Elendil to go, with four votes out of nine...

P.S. Thanks to the Phantom for pointing out my counting error.

[Diamond18]

I will give things another try, since I am already having plus plus withdrawals. Provided you continue to give reasons for any future disqualifications I think that gives me at least something to measure off of. Of course, once the werewolf game finally starts I may be gone anyway, screaming "Don't kill me!" hysterically and unable to concentrate on anything else.

Anyway, on to it. If I haven't rambled too long, I may just be getting in the first vote of the day.

In my mind, and this may sound strange but it is true, the most damning thing Elendil ever did was name his sword Narsil. Of course, technically Tolkien only says, "...and it was named Narsil" but we can safely assume that Elendil, being the first owner of said sword, would have been the one to christen it. Narsil is, forgive me, the most butt-ugly name in all of Tolkiendom. It sounds like the bastard love child of an air freshener and a hair removal product. Thank goodness Aragorn had the sense to rename it. Wouldn't you rather weild Andúril? I know you would.

I'll get you, my pretty,

+ + Elendil,

and your little sword too!

[Diamond18]

Celeborn: II

Fangorn: III

Treebeard: IIII

Well, now I'm just confused....

[the phantom]

Well, now I'm just confused....

Heh.

I think we should just assume that Elendil is dead, because the post in which Lord Formendacil counts everyone's votes shows Elendil with the most counted votes.

Unless there was an error in that post.

[Diamond18]

So I voted for a dead guy? I've spoken ill of the dead? I've stomped all over Elendil's grave, adding insult to mortal injury? I am SO bad.

[Formendacil]

The Thirteenth day of voting fell as follows:

Tar-Míriel: I

Elrond: IIIII II

Fimbrethil: IIIII III

On this day, the tribes were reshuffled.

Those remaining:

Tribe of the Line of Lúthien:
Elrond Peredhil
Amandil
Anárion
Elros Tar-Minyatur
Tar-Míriel

Tribe of the "Endorians":
Celeborn
Círdan
Celebrían
Narvi
Fangorn

Tribe of the Rest:

Sauron
The Witch-king
Celebrimbor
Ohtar
Galadriel

Day 14 begins now. Vote away!

[Lalaith]

So, there were not enough among us with the imagination and compassion to pity the marital plight of Fimbrethil. Oh well....

I've been pondering the Elrond question, specifically my point from yesterday:

someone else can take over the room bookings and the ring and so on if he goes.

Now, who would that someone be? Why Mrs Elrond, Celebrian, of course...and, if she's too busy running Rivendell single-handed, she won't go gallivanting off in Orc territory, and so she'll never get captured and tormented...and even if they tried, she'd have the ring as (possible) protection...

Rewrite history! Save Celebrian! Vote Elrond! He would want it this way, honest...

++ELROND

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

++Sauron, who had the gall to call himself 'Lord of the Rings'

First Age: Given control of an island, lost it to an elf and her lover. Ran away. [Not counted, perhaps, but I just wanted to point that out.]

Second Age: Put on disguise (ineffective, since he was shunned by some), sold patent rights to tacky rings in an effort to control the minds of the dominant race. Must be the most pathetic world-domination scheme in the history of evil (no offence to Tolkien for writing it that way.)

Oh, and you want a secret? He stole the whole ring idea from my father.

[Boromir88]

Nilp actually everyone in the Tribe of the Rest (who chose the name ) should stay as of right now. Look at the ratings they are bringing in. I mean Sauron vs. Galadriel! Ohtar the carrier of Narsil! The Witch-King and Celebrimbor! This tribe is going to collapse in it's ownself, no one needs to vote them off, they'll all kill eachother. And think of the ratings! (Now I sound like Sauce).

My victim will probably be someone from the other tribes. And unless phantom or any of his other team can persuade me back over, it'll be Elrond.

[Tuor of Gondolin]

+ + Narvi

Let's see, these two brilliant individuals (elf
and dwarf) get together to make and label
a crucial entrance to the greatest dwarf
dwelling in Middle-earth, one that's also a
source of mithril, and they stick a sign on it
with the uncrackable code of needing to say
"Friend" to come in!
Obviously this door also
had mystical properties dumbing down anyone who
came up to it. And it's Narvi who's elected
for ouster, not Celebrimbor, since he okayed
this inscrutable password and it's his people's
place.

[Lhunardawen]

How many ages does it have to take before you realize that

++CELEBORN

deserves to be voted off? We can give more credit to the White Tree that bears the name than to the Elf. And I'm quite sure Moderadacil is referring to the Elf here. At least Celeborn the Tree was a meaningful symbol of something, while Celeborn the Elf isn't even the first person you'll associate with Lothlorien!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

++Sauron, who had the gall to call himself 'Lord of the Rings'

First Age: Given control of an island, lost it to an elf and her lover. Ran away.

Second Age: Put on disguise (ineffective, since he was shunned by some), sold patent rights to tacky rings in an effort to control the minds of the dominant race. Must be the most pathetic world-domination scheme in the history of evil (no offence to Tolkien for writing it that way.)

Oh, and you want a secret? He stole the whole ring idea from my father. (++Nilpaurion Felagund (who is not a legitimate candidate))

Yeah, what he says.

[Formendacil]

The Fourteenth day of voting was a contest, primarily, between Elrond and Sauron, but in the end, there was no contest. The voting fell as follows:

Círdan: I
Narvi: I
Celeborn: I

Sauron: II

Elrond: IIIII IIII

Now, participants will note that, toDay, I have not required Tolkien rationale- due to the late hour on which this day is ending for me. However, I'm quite proud of you all, since only Glirdy (naughty exmod!) and Eonwe's vote didn't have a legitimate rationale- and the result would have been the same anyway.

There shall probably not be a vote analysis after tomorrow's vote either, since I work until about this same time, but I plan to have proper analyses on the days following.

Also, to those saying that only Second Age material is admissible: wrong.

I'll accept anything Tolkien, no matter what the Age. The Second Age was just criteria for me picking the candidates. You can vote them off for anything Tolkien.

Participants in all three Survivors, Sauron and Elrond's tussle for surival ended in a Sauronian win.

Those remaining:

Tribe of the Line of Lúthien:
Amandil
Anárion
Elros Tar-Minyatur
Tar-Míriel

Tribe of the "Endorians":
Celeborn
Círdan
Celebrían
Narvi
Fangorn

Tribe of the Rest:

Sauron
The Witch-king
Celebrimbor
Ohtar
Galadriel

Day 15 begins now. Vote away!

[Formendacil]

Erm...

In quoting yesterday's day-ending post for the one just created, I inadvertanly edited it instead. I'll go back and fix it as best I can, but be warned that it may be rather inaccurate.

[Formendacil]

The Fifteenth day of voting was about Sauron. And, as with all battles surrounding Sauron, he either won or lost dramatically. The voting fell as follows:

Elros: III

Sauron: IIIII IIII

Now, HOUSEKEEPING:

Due to various facts, such that it is 1:00 am in my timezone, I have to get up early tomorrow, I need a shower before bed, and that I've just received word of a death in "the family", I do not have time to do a proper analysis of the votes tonight. Therefore, all votes have been counted. Of course, with the way things fell, I think Sauron would have been booted anyway. To all of you including Tolkien rationale, my serious thanks! Tomorrow will be back to business-as-Tolkien-usual, with the analysis of the votes. It will also be a rather long day, as rather than stay up until 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning, I'll let it drag on until I get up and online Saturday.

Those remaining:

Tribe of the Line of Lúthien:
Amandil
Anárion
Elros Tar-Minyatur
Tar-Míriel

Tribe of the "Endorians":
Celeborn
Círdan
Celebrían
Narvi
Fangorn

Tribe of the Rest:
The Witch-king
Celebrimbor
Ohtar
Galadriel

Day 16 begins now. Vote away!

[Diamond18]

Now that Sauron is gone I can reveal my true motive for voting for him -- I want to be the only creature of pure evil inhabiting this thread, and he was my competition! Ha ha ha! I am not Diamond18, I am THE WITCH KING!

Okay, clearly what I am is sleep deprived and delirious.

I may retract this later, depending on whichever way my mood is violently swinging, but I'd like to start off today with a vote for:

+ + Fangorn

A: Because I want revenge for the ousting of Fimbrethil, and all the "ooh poor lovelorn Treebeard, left by a coldhearted woman" arguments that did said ousting.

B: Because he never really did anything interesting, besides destroying Isengard. Which was, okay, pretty cool, but it was one thing done in a vastly long lifetime. Most of the time he just stood around harooming and writing imitations of Elven poetry.

[Formendacil]

The sixteenth day of voting was not as noisy as some previously, suffering from "the Weekend Syndrome". The voting fell as follows:

Celebrían: I
Galadriel: I

Fangorn: II
Celeborn: II

Amandil: III

Had Lhuna stuck to her guns, and voted Celeborn, he'd have been gone in a double-lynching. However, she didn't, and we also didn't have an army of anti-Celeborn 'Downers ride in on Pink Oliphaunts, so he survives another day. 'Tis Amandil who must "sail west".

HOUSEKEEPING:

This next day should be very close to 24 hours in duration. If that isn't possible, I'll let it change on the longer side.

Those remaining:

Tribe of the Line of Lúthien:
Anárion
Elros Tar-Minyatur
Tar-Míriel

Tribe of the "Endorians":
Celeborn
Círdan
Celebrían
Narvi
Fangorn

Tribe of the Rest:
The Witch-king
Celebrimbor
Ohtar
Galadriel

Day 17 begins now. Vote away!