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Old 03-07-2006, 11:44 AM   #1
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But whatever she is, she came from outside Arda and she's deeply scary.
I still am not sure as by what criterion you would define her as not earthly; embodied maiar, the Incarnates (dwarves included) and the Ents have the same status (though they might differ in power); their fea comes from outside Ea and their hroa is made from the same matter. So, an earthly power would be...?
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before they turned up, Morgoth himself was grovelling beneath her manifold legs.
Yeah, after he put forth a great deal of his power, fed her with many jewels and after she sucked dry the wells of Varda and the Two Trees.
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Back to the Ring.
I agree with the idea that there is no point in hiding the ring; as far as destroying it, I guess only the power of Arien is sufficient enough(even Melkor feared her) and she and Tilion are the only powers that still are directly related to Arda. How to get her involved is an entirely different matter .
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Old 03-07-2006, 12:19 PM   #2
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However, if the ring could be kept relatively out of reach,
say moving it to different islands, but its existence
was made known
it could foster enormous dissension
and greed among the forces of Sauron, including the corsairs,
and ringless Sauron is in need of such help.

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I still am not sure as by what criterion you would define her as not earthly; embodied maiar
Agreed, how is Ungoliant any more or less unearthly than Melian?
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Old 03-07-2006, 12:25 PM   #3
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... but its existence was made known it could foster enormous dissension and greed among the forces of Sauron, including the corsairs, and ringless Sauron is in need of such help.
Not to mention among the Free Peoples ...

Seems to me that would be playing into Sauron's digitally-challenged hands.
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Old 03-07-2006, 01:20 PM   #4
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Yes. But the idea is to keep things stirred up.
Since even in conventional (non-ring possession)
terms Sauron is the strongest force (with his
allies) the best of poor alternatives might well be
to foster dissension in his forces which would also
tend to keep some good guys in play in Middle-earth.
Recall even Gorbag and Shagrat (while in the employ
of the Dark Tower leading their lads
in fighting to the death). And the orc (I forget his
name) trying to get the ring from Merry and Pippin.

While such a strategy of delay fortunately didn't work
for Hitler it proved quite successful for Frederick the
Great.
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Old 03-13-2006, 07:56 AM   #5
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So, it's hid. Now what?

If the ring could be hidden, Sauron could be given a false lead as to where it is. the trap that could be set could seriously hurt his forces and possibly kill him. and even if he took over the world how long could he hold it? He can't destroy good any more then gandalf can destroy evil (well, maybe a little more. if we let him stagnate long enough he might develop the technology for mind control, but I think that would take longer then he has before a rebellion), and who if the orcs didn't have a targat for their rage, it might turn on Sauron, some of them might be on our side!
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Old 03-13-2006, 01:26 PM   #6
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well what about thi sauron cant be the only guy who can make rings of power sooo why not make many rings of power set them all loose with various fellowships make Sauron break up his forces and spies making it easier to get to mount doom not really an alternate hiding strdegy but a different approach to destroying the ring.

another idea is to seal the ring in a capsule ina capsule in a capsule(so on for about 10 capsules) each sealed with a different magical incantation attach a few anchors and lets it float to the bottom of the sea.
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