The Silmarillion & The Matrix - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Isilya · 09-22-2002, 06:27 PM

I was watching The Matrix tonight, and halfway through the movie, I happened to notice something. In a way, The Matrix is very similar to the tale of Maeglin, Idril Celebrindal, Turgon, Morgoth, and Tuor.

Here's how it goes: Maeglin (Cypher or Joe Pantoliano) is deeply, almost insanly in love with Idril Celebrindal (Trinity or Carrie-Anne Moss). However, she does not return his feelings, and he becomes hateful, but is still believed to be a good guy. Tuor (Neo or Keanu Reeves) shows up on the scene, falls in love with and weds Idril. Maeglin, now furious, betrays Turgon (Morpheus or Laurence Fishburne) and his city (sort of) to Morgoth (Agent Smith).

I found this kinda interesting. Can anyone think of other movies that fit a LOTR or Sil tale?

Arwen Imladris · 09-22-2002, 06:48 PM

Hmm, I think that that one is a bit of a stretch. matrix like the sil? I think that they are very different. Sorry I can't think of anything else that is like the sil.

Isilya · 09-22-2002, 06:49 PM

I know it's a bit of a stretch, but that's what it reminded me of, that's all!

lathspell · 09-26-2002, 09:42 AM

Still there is a link, but no more than a link. Well, I kinda makes me wonder how you ever thought of the Sil during the Matrix and the story, but ok... let's not be bothered by that [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

greetings,
lathspell

Isilya · 09-26-2002, 02:51 PM

Now, see, you have to have gone through the kind of treatment I've gone through to think of that: three electro shock therapy sessions, one hell of a lot of painkillers.... [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Beren87 · 09-26-2002, 07:05 PM

No, after rereading and watching, they really are quite the same. It is kind of a classic plotline though, so don't be too suprised.

Isilya · 09-26-2002, 07:54 PM

It probably is classic, but I haven't read it anywhere else.

Beren87 · 09-27-2002, 06:16 PM

C'mon, traitor made at girl who doesn't love him sells his soul and native land to get her. I believe Gladiator had such a plot. The emperor wanted his sister, and etc..

Isilya · 09-27-2002, 07:41 PM

You know, I did see that movie, come to think of it, just not all, only pieces. It was probably because I had just finished the Sil right before I watched the movie, that's most likely why I thought of it.

Eol · 09-27-2002, 08:07 PM

Of course it is classic, you see it in greek plays all the time, especially in tragedies. You can also see in some of Shakespeare's plays.

The incest thing, well that is nothing new.

Isilya · 09-27-2002, 08:30 PM

Incest: Keeping the Southern U.S. population growing since 1802. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

09-22-2002, 06:27 PM	#1
Isilya Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: At the bottom of a black hole. Actually, it's quite nice. Hey, is that Elvis?! Posts: 136	The Silmarillion & The Matrix I was watching The Matrix tonight, and halfway through the movie, I happened to notice something. In a way, The Matrix is very similar to the tale of Maeglin, Idril Celebrindal, Turgon, Morgoth, and Tuor. Here's how it goes: Maeglin (Cypher or Joe Pantoliano) is deeply, almost insanly in love with Idril Celebrindal (Trinity or Carrie-Anne Moss). However, she does not return his feelings, and he becomes hateful, but is still believed to be a good guy. Tuor (Neo or Keanu Reeves) shows up on the scene, falls in love with and weds Idril. Maeglin, now furious, betrays Turgon (Morpheus or Laurence Fishburne) and his city (sort of) to Morgoth (Agent Smith). I found this kinda interesting. Can anyone think of other movies that fit a LOTR or Sil tale? __________________ In my opinion, Tolkien is a lot like Alexander Keith's: Those Who Like It, Like It A Lot!! Yay for Great Big Sea!! Aitken Centre, November 22

09-22-2002, 06:48 PM	#2
Arwen Imladris Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a box with a fox Posts: 1,347	Hmm, I think that that one is a bit of a stretch. matrix like the sil? I think that they are very different. Sorry I can't think of anything else that is like the sil. __________________ "Wake up! Wake up! Wake up, sleepies, we must go, yes, we must go at once."

09-22-2002, 06:49 PM	#3
Isilya Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: At the bottom of a black hole. Actually, it's quite nice. Hey, is that Elvis?! Posts: 136	I know it's a bit of a stretch, but that's what it reminded me of, that's all! __________________ In my opinion, Tolkien is a lot like Alexander Keith's: Those Who Like It, Like It A Lot!! Yay for Great Big Sea!! Aitken Centre, November 22

09-26-2002, 09:42 AM	#4
lathspell Regenerating Ringkeeper Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 757	Still there is a link, but no more than a link. Well, I kinda makes me wonder how you ever thought of the Sil during the Matrix and the story, but ok... let's not be bothered by that [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] greetings, lathspell __________________ 'You?' cried Frodo. 'Yes, I, Gandalf the Grey,' said the wizard solemnly. 'There are many powers in the world, for good or for evil. Some are greater than I am. Against some I have not yet been measured. But my time is coming.'

09-26-2002, 02:51 PM	#5
Isilya Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: At the bottom of a black hole. Actually, it's quite nice. Hey, is that Elvis?! Posts: 136	Now, see, you have to have gone through the kind of treatment I've gone through to think of that: three electro shock therapy sessions, one hell of a lot of painkillers.... [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ In my opinion, Tolkien is a lot like Alexander Keith's: Those Who Like It, Like It A Lot!! Yay for Great Big Sea!! Aitken Centre, November 22

09-26-2002, 07:05 PM	#6
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	No, after rereading and watching, they really are quite the same. It is kind of a classic plotline though, so don't be too suprised.

09-26-2002, 07:54 PM	#7
Isilya Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: At the bottom of a black hole. Actually, it's quite nice. Hey, is that Elvis?! Posts: 136	It probably is classic, but I haven't read it anywhere else. __________________ In my opinion, Tolkien is a lot like Alexander Keith's: Those Who Like It, Like It A Lot!! Yay for Great Big Sea!! Aitken Centre, November 22

09-27-2002, 06:16 PM	#8
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	C'mon, traitor made at girl who doesn't love him sells his soul and native land to get her. I believe Gladiator had such a plot. The emperor wanted his sister, and etc..

09-27-2002, 07:41 PM	#9
Isilya Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: At the bottom of a black hole. Actually, it's quite nice. Hey, is that Elvis?! Posts: 136	You know, I did see that movie, come to think of it, just not all, only pieces. It was probably because I had just finished the Sil right before I watched the movie, that's most likely why I thought of it. __________________ In my opinion, Tolkien is a lot like Alexander Keith's: Those Who Like It, Like It A Lot!! Yay for Great Big Sea!! Aitken Centre, November 22

09-27-2002, 08:07 PM	#10
Eol Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Pacific Northwest - Tir Nan Og Posts: 306	Of course it is classic, you see it in greek plays all the time, especially in tragedies. You can also see in some of Shakespeare's plays. The incest thing, well that is nothing new. __________________ Mes sana in corpec sano- (lt.) A sound mind in a sound body

09-27-2002, 08:30 PM	#11
Isilya Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: At the bottom of a black hole. Actually, it's quite nice. Hey, is that Elvis?! Posts: 136	Incest: Keeping the Southern U.S. population growing since 1802. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ In my opinion, Tolkien is a lot like Alexander Keith's: Those Who Like It, Like It A Lot!! Yay for Great Big Sea!! Aitken Centre, November 22

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