Gollum and Eagles: Deux ex machina?

[Elu Ancalime]

[QUOTE]=Nogrod
Well. That's always the good question: if someone knows your choice beforehand, is it a real choice anymore? And why would some God let her creations to choose badly anyhow? What would be the point? She would anyhow know beforehand, who would be "guessing" right, and who would not, so predeterming everything anyhow?[/QUOTE]


Well, even if they knew the choice, they didnt have to influence it. Like, we all (should have known) that Kuru would do what he did at the end of Survivor: The Hobbit but nobody really made him do it.

Also thats what I think. ITs just a mix. Because what does it matter to Eru anyhow? Arda will become Healed in the End, so when you know the Beginning and you know the End, does what happen in the Middle really matter to him?
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[AragornII]

Originally posted by alatar

I think the reason Gollum is associated with D E M is not the character, per se, but the 'push.' Gollum reclaims the Ring, his only goal and desire for the whole trilogy, and just when he does...whoops! Into the lava he falls. That is the D E M moment, as I understand it.

From Merriam-Webster Online:

a god introduced by means of a crane in ancient Greek and Roman drama to decide the final outcome; a person or thing that appears or is introduced suddenly and unexpectedly and contrives a solution to an apparently insoluble difficulty.

Looking at this defintion, and the one I used, both of us are right, in my opinion. Gollum was a person that was sudden and unexpected and solved the problem of destorying the Ring, so by this defintion, he is a D E M.