Tol-in-Gaurhoth XVIII: The Play’s The Thing… - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Anguirel · 02-23-2006, 10:02 AM

No, I don't buy this Garin thing. His character is not that of a wolf in sheep's clothing, but a bit more subtle than that-a Hyrcanian rhinoceros in wolf's clothing in sheep's clothing. He's a natural wolf, but also a natural unsuccessful wolf, from what I've seen of him.

Basically tar-ancalime is accusing him for using an approach based on empathy and extensive perusal of space between lines. But sometimes I think such a tactic can be of use to the village, as I've said many times before. Logic is a cesspit. Sometimes people would get on faster if they listened to the "weird spectral urges", rather than employing their vaunted logic to do the thing they've already done the last seventeen times.

If a Gil vote yesterday was uninspired and clunking, and a Boromir88 vote was, and to hear many, is, fairy-chasing, then perhaps a compromise can be found in the third most successful bandwagon-Lhuna's. I now intend to investigate the evidence, the history and the ramifications of the Case Against The Princess...

One more point before I do so-I distrust any and all posts, like tar-ancalime's above, that take an extremely narrow premise and refuse to broaden it. tar limited herself to considering three options. That's the kind of play that gets innocents killed for sterile, traditional reasons.

littlemanpoet · 02-23-2006, 10:09 AM

Lhuna's list of innocents is too long for so early in this holocaust. It possibly means she must know something. Only werewolves know that much.

Farael · 02-23-2006, 10:36 AM

Note to self: do NOT try to heat a big ball of 1,2,3.4-aminothiatriazoles at temperatures over 130 degrees C.

HA! Try to find my anagram there.... and while you are at it, try declaring in clear words whether or not you are a wolf.

Just to clear something Lhuna said... no, even though I mentioned the hunter as a substituent, I mentioned it as a reactant with the wolves to form a happy village or something like that... I still want to try that reaction but it might have to wait a little.

Does anyone else feel Garin's not-so-subtle hint very unsettling? I'm confused, had he never been in a wolf-infested village in other lives of his I would understand, but as an experienced player he should know better! Still, of course, I am not quite certain Aiwendil is innocent. I know, this might be 'overkill' and what saved my acid-burned rear-end yesterDay might be bad today yet... I do believe that there is something fishy (or should I say wolfy?) with this villager.

I don't think I'll vote for him toDay given that he is not likely to get lynched and he is not the only suspicious one but... I will be back soon with more evidence against him. I think I can still dig up some more.

And just remembering something that happened in a village of werewolves infested by heroes, I beg Aiwendil does no take my 'attacks' personally... I'm just playing the game, whatever I say is not meant to imply in any way what I think of you outside of the village.

Anguirel · 02-23-2006, 10:37 AM

If that's serious, LMP, it's as cheap as the point morm scored against me a second ago, or against you about the silver knives! Be a tad more reasonable...

littlemanpoet · 02-23-2006, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Anguirel

If that's serious, LMP, it's as cheap as the point morm scored against me a second ago, or against you about the silver knives! Be a tad more reasonable...

(from post #176)
Sorry to offend your sense of seriousness. At the risk of referring too specifically to a "past life", Lhuna's long list of innocents reminded me of my own doomed experiment in wolfishness those many many lives ago. That's all.

littlemanpoet · 02-23-2006, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Farael

The fact that Aiwendil rises LMP’s name so often and yet accuses him so little is making alarms sound all over the place.

Well, thank you for that. I almost missed this. That would indeed be a very clever wolfish ploy.

littlemanpoet · 02-23-2006, 03:58 PM

Time's running out. I've read through post #186 and scanned the rest to see how the votes are going (last post scanned was #213.

My main suspects are at this time Lhuna, Garin, and now Aiwendil. If you don't like my intuitive way, sorry.

Boromir, Morm, and Formy of dropped somewhat.

The rest of you seem either innocent or I don't know yet.

Gotta vote, and I want to survive. Therefore:

++ Lhunardawen

Lhuna because of her stooopid list.
Garin seems guilty because of his both ends against the middle way, which some of you write off as in charater; I gotta go by what I know.
Aiwendil does seem to be bringing attention to me while not personally attacking; a very clever ploy that I would not put past a Wolf Aiwendil.

There you have it. Slim evidence, maybe, but you gotta go by what you believe you can trust. :shrug: Sorry if I'm wrong.

EDIT: Cross-posted with Boromir and Garin.

Formendacil · 02-23-2006, 03:49 PM

Allow me to offer some patronising advice to those who are interested: Never get sick. And, while you're at it, don't stay in bed for twelve hours. Because if you do, that's a LOT of Werewolf to catch up on...

I wish I had time to reply to more stuff that was written today. Lot's of interesting tidbits...

Alas, but it is ten minutes to the deadline, and I cannot. Just a short list of my suspicions, then.

Quite Suspicious: Aiwendil is the only person who leaps out at me today as being truly suspicious. To be honest, it very probably derives from his solid, continual declarations of my guilt. For that reason, I'm willing to offer him the benefit of the doubt, but to push so hard, consistently, for someone's guilt coming from Aiwendil seems to suggest some sort of knowledge other than a simple innocent would have. With the True Seer gone, that makes him either one of Three Werewolves or the False Seer. The statistics seem to point towards him being a Werewolf.

Near-certain Innocents: Eomer, Garin, Nilp- although I'm going to look pretty foolish if Garin gets the noose and turns hairy on us.

As for the rest, the fall into the Unsure/Slightly Suspicious Category...

With five minutes left before the cutoff, I must vote:

++ Aiwendil

Garin · 02-23-2006, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Near-certain Innocents: Eomer, Garin, Nilp- although I'm going to look pretty foolish if Garin gets the noose and turns hairy on us.

You need not worry Formendacil.

Boromir88 · 02-23-2006, 03:54 PM

What I find strange is from the suspicions for a lot of the day and the seeming agreeance that tar-ancalime would be a likely suspect...ummm she has no votes? This I truly find odd, though not really sure what to make of it. But I got the feeling today that tar-ancalime would be more likely hanged then Garin....hmmm what to make of this...

Celuien, Aiwendil and Tar have voted for Garin....Something I will certainly look at tomorrow.

Quote:

Well, thank you for that. I almost missed this. That would indeed be a very clever wolfish ploy.~lmp

You need to do more careful reading I said the same thing as Formendacil this very morning.

To avoid mass cross-posting at the end, I will cast my vote now...

++lmp

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 02-23-2006, 10:50 AM

Ha ha! What a majestic title!

So this post is about Farael. His actions and the response to those actions have been quite interesting.

He comes out with a blistering attack on Aiwendil, which — while I don't think is particularly strong — is still pretty interesting. Nevertheless, general reaction to the attack is peculiar:

-Aiwendil shrugs it off, basically saying 'You're wrong'

-Celuien deduces that Farael is very probably innocent.

-Nilpaurion declares that Farael is likely innocent.

-Lhunardawen declares that Farael is innocent.

-No-one else questions Farael.

I thought that maybe Farael was one of the Seers and had dreamt of Aiwendil. We now know that he is not the True Seer and I'd like him to re-evaluate his case against Aiwendil today; see if he attacks or retreats.

But why has nothing come of the Farael controversy? As soon as LMP makes his case against Boromir people attack on both sides; as soon as Mormegil attacks LMP many many words are exchanged and suspicion is thrown on all sides. What's so different about this case?

Because if a wolf can simply attack someone particulary strongly — by posting convincingly that so-and-so is a wolf — and that's all he/she has to do in order to be labelled 'Too bold to be a wolf', then he/she's going to get an easy ride.

I could be way off here; but it's something that struck me as I read the entire thread again. There seems to be a discrepancy here. Please share your thoughts.

Edit to add: Farael has just posted but I didn't see it.

02-23-2006, 10:36 AM	#3
Farael Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: In hospitals, call rooms and (rarely) my apartment. Posts: 1,538	*boom!! crash!! other such noises!!!* Note to self: do NOT try to heat a big ball of 1,2,3.4-aminothiatriazoles at temperatures over 130 degrees C. HA! Try to find my anagram there.... and while you are at it, try declaring in clear words whether or not you are a wolf. Just to clear something Lhuna said... no, even though I mentioned the hunter as a substituent, I mentioned it as a reactant with the wolves to form a happy village or something like that... I still want to try that reaction but it might have to wait a little. Does anyone else feel Garin's not-so-subtle hint very unsettling? I'm confused, had he never been in a wolf-infested village in other lives of his I would understand, but as an experienced player he should know better! Still, of course, I am not quite certain Aiwendil is innocent. I know, this might be 'overkill' and what saved my acid-burned rear-end yesterDay might be bad today yet... I do believe that there is something fishy (or should I say wolfy?) with this villager. I don't think I'll vote for him toDay given that he is not likely to get lynched and he is not the only suspicious one but... I will be back soon with more evidence against him. I think I can still dig up some more. And just remembering something that happened in a village of werewolves infested by heroes, I beg Aiwendil does no take my 'attacks' personally... I'm just playing the game, whatever I say is not meant to imply in any way what I think of you outside of the village. __________________ I prepared Explosive Runes this morning.

02-23-2006, 10:37 AM	#4
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	If that's serious, LMP, it's as cheap as the point morm scored against me a second ago, or against you about the silver knives! Be a tad more reasonable... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

02-23-2006, 03:49 PM	#8
Formendacil Dead Serious Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Perched on Thangorodrim's towers. Posts: 3,328	Allow me to offer some patronising advice to those who are interested: Never get sick. And, while you're at it, don't stay in bed for twelve hours. Because if you do, that's a LOT of Werewolf to catch up on... I wish I had time to reply to more stuff that was written today. Lot's of interesting tidbits... Alas, but it is ten minutes to the deadline, and I cannot. Just a short list of my suspicions, then. Quite Suspicious: Aiwendil is the only person who leaps out at me today as being truly suspicious. To be honest, it very probably derives from his solid, continual declarations of my guilt. For that reason, I'm willing to offer him the benefit of the doubt, but to push so hard, consistently, for someone's guilt coming from Aiwendil seems to suggest some sort of knowledge other than a simple innocent would have. With the True Seer gone, that makes him either one of Three Werewolves or the False Seer. The statistics seem to point towards him being a Werewolf. Near-certain Innocents: Eomer, Garin, Nilp- although I'm going to look pretty foolish if Garin gets the noose and turns hairy on us. As for the rest, the fall into the Unsure/Slightly Suspicious Category... With five minutes left before the cutoff, I must vote: ++ Aiwendil __________________ I prefer history, true or feigned.

02-23-2006, 10:50 AM	#11
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Ferocious Farael Fails to Fan Flames Ha ha! What a majestic title! So this post is about Farael. His actions and the response to those actions have been quite interesting. He comes out with a blistering attack on Aiwendil, which — while I don't think is particularly strong — is still pretty interesting. Nevertheless, general reaction to the attack is peculiar: -Aiwendil shrugs it off, basically saying 'You're wrong' -Celuien deduces that Farael is very probably innocent. -Nilpaurion declares that Farael is likely innocent. -Lhunardawen declares that Farael is innocent. -No-one else questions Farael. I thought that maybe Farael was one of the Seers and had dreamt of Aiwendil. We now know that he is not the True Seer and I'd like him to re-evaluate his case against Aiwendil today; see if he attacks or retreats. But why has nothing come of the Farael controversy? As soon as LMP makes his case against Boromir people attack on both sides; as soon as Mormegil attacks LMP many many words are exchanged and suspicion is thrown on all sides. What's so different about this case? Because if a wolf can simply attack someone particulary strongly — by posting convincingly that so-and-so is a wolf — and that's all he/she has to do in order to be labelled 'Too bold to be a wolf', then he/she's going to get an easy ride. I could be way off here; but it's something that struck me as I read the entire thread again. There seems to be a discrepancy here. Please share your thoughts. Edit to add: Farael has just posted but I didn't see it. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond Last edited by Eomer of the Rohirrim; 02-23-2006 at 10:57 AM. Reason: Two 'particulars in the same half of a sentence—just awful...

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02-23-2006, 10:02 AM	#1
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	No, I don't buy this Garin thing. His character is not that of a wolf in sheep's clothing, but a bit more subtle than that-a Hyrcanian rhinoceros in wolf's clothing in sheep's clothing. He's a natural wolf, but also a natural unsuccessful wolf, from what I've seen of him. Basically tar-ancalime is accusing him for using an approach based on empathy and extensive perusal of space between lines. But sometimes I think such a tactic can be of use to the village, as I've said many times before. Logic is a cesspit. Sometimes people would get on faster if they listened to the "weird spectral urges", rather than employing their vaunted logic to do the thing they've already done the last seventeen times. If a Gil vote yesterday was uninspired and clunking, and a Boromir88 vote was, and to hear many, is, fairy-chasing, then perhaps a compromise can be found in the third most successful bandwagon-Lhuna's. I now intend to investigate the evidence, the history and the ramifications of the Case Against The Princess... One more point before I do so-I distrust any and all posts, like tar-ancalime's above, that take an extremely narrow premise and refuse to broaden it. tar limited herself to considering three options. That's the kind of play that gets innocents killed for sterile, traditional reasons. __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

02-23-2006, 10:09 AM	#2
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Lhuna's list of innocents is too long for so early in this holocaust. It possibly means she must know something. Only werewolves know that much.

02-23-2006, 03:58 PM	#7
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Time's running out. I've read through post #186 and scanned the rest to see how the votes are going (last post scanned was #213. My main suspects are at this time Lhuna, Garin, and now Aiwendil. If you don't like my intuitive way, sorry. Boromir, Morm, and Formy of dropped somewhat. The rest of you seem either innocent or I don't know yet. Gotta vote, and I want to survive. Therefore: ++ Lhunardawen Lhuna because of her stooopid list. Garin seems guilty because of his both ends against the middle way, which some of you write off as in charater; I gotta go by what I know. Aiwendil does seem to be bringing attention to me while not personally attacking; a very clever ploy that I would not put past a Wolf Aiwendil. There you have it. Slim evidence, maybe, but you gotta go by what you believe you can trust. :shrug: Sorry if I'm wrong. EDIT: Cross-posted with Boromir and Garin.