Tol-in-Gaurhoth XVII: The Saga Continues to Continue quite Continuously

[The Saucepan Man]

Phew!

I don't have to eat my pans or spend the next five weeks kicking myself after all ...

Well, that was - er - stressful. I'm wondering whether it might be better to go back to consistently being killed within the first two days.

But great fun, too.

I cannot believe that I survived for so long, even with my initial ineptitude.

Commiserations to the Wolves, but congratulations too. You did a great job. Without malka's astute dreaming, it's likely that you would have won. Speaking of which ...

... massive kudos to malka. You targetted your dreams extremely well. Not only did you pin down a Wolf whom we probably would not otherwise have got, but you managed to declare a significant proportion of the village innocent (if not free from possible Cobblerishness), which was a great help. Though I was almost certain that you and Glirdan were going to get me lynched the day before you dreamed of me. I am so glad that you dreamed of me when you did.

As usual, I spent most of the first half of the game suspecting all the wrong people and generally helping to get innocents lynched. Sorry about that. Abercrombie and Shelob I don't feel too bad about, as a vote for an innocent is fairly likely on the first two days. But I bitterly rued my part in Cailin's death. I did actually independently reach the same conclusion stated by mormegil, but it was a self-centred view (looking at who might have orchestrated the murmurings against me) and I unforgiveably allowed myself to be swayed by mormegil's confirmation of my thoughts. You played your role very well there, morm.

However, at the risk of appearing immodest, I feel rather proud of having spotted Naria. It was little to do with TGWBS having targetted you and voted for you, Naria, but a direct result of the theory that I posted. You know, the one that analysed the percentages of votes for known innocents. You stood out to me as the only person who had not voted for a known (to me) innocent. Hmm, I must bear that theory in mind for the future.

Mind you, on the other hand, it also led me to believe (at first, at least) that Garin's overly suspicious behaviour and voting pattern indicated that he was innocent. I could not believe that a Wolf could be so closely implicated in the deaths of so many known innocents. Whether intentional or not, it was a good tactic to have two Wolves with entirely different voting patterns.

As for TGWBS, well what can I say? Fiendishly cunning play, my friend and well done to you. I really did trust you right up to the end of the day before you died. I was concerned over your targetting of morm, though, who I also trusted at that stage. And that, if anything, is what really done for you as it prompted malka to dream of you that night. Had it not been for her, we might well never have spotted you.

A few other thoughts.

Nilp I knew was innocent from our exchange of acrostics (the first letters in each line of two of our posts). You could have been bluffing, Nilp, but instinctively I felt that you were not, and was glad to see that you felt the same way about my response.

It was clear (to me at least) from Cailin's death that Glirdan was the Hunter. There was an outside chance that it was TGWBS (because of his defence of her). But with malka's declaration, there really was no other candidate. Sorry for outing you, old chap, but I felt that it was the best thing to do at the time. We really needed as many known innocents as possible, especially with the Cobbler probably still lurking among the other declared innocents. And, hey, it was probably what kept you alive until the end.

Formendacil, what were you playing at? Still, you helped clarify in my mind mormegil's likely Cobblerishness. Once we got down to the double lynching discussions it became clear to me that morm was the Cobbler. An innocent morm would have been taking control, putting forward plans and generally being much more vocal.

And why do I always suspect you dancing spawn, even when you have come across as nothing but innocent all game? It must be a habit, I suppose. But it did nearly lead us to lynch both you and Kath on the penultimate day, which would probably have proved disastrous. I am so glad that I had the time to go back and review everything and finally work out that Garin's suspicious behaviour meant that he actually was most likely guilty.

Oh, and sorry Gil. I am no gambler and really didn't want to take the risk of the game going into a further day there.

Ah well, great game. Thanks to everyone involved. I really enjoyed it. And thanks especially to Modeltarmacil for a wonderfully modded game. Just one little quibble - why'd I have to be an ordinary villager AGAIN??!!

Oh look. Another interminably lengthy post from me. What a surprise! You were so right, Form, when you pointed out that I really know no other way of playing ...

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by mormegil

Great game all...and Sauce how does it feel to actually survive until the end? It very rare that you and I do that

Well, I managed to survive to the end of the game where I was the Hunter and Gurthang the Werebear. Indeed, I believe that is the only other game in which I was on the winning team.

Oh, I know what I meant to ask. Wolves, did you spot Glirdan as the Hunter after Cailin's revelation? I wondered that night whether you might have targetted him on the basis that, given his supicions at the time, he was almost certain to have taken me out. Two innocents in one blow - and one a Gifted.

[The Saucepan Man]

Who Posted?

Total Posts: 470

The Saucepan Man 76
Garin 58
mormegil 41
the guy who be short 37
Glirdan 37
dancing spawn of ungoliant 34
Nilpaurion Felagund 30
Cailín 24
Meneltarmacil 21
malkatoj 20
Formendacil 18
Gil-Galad 15
Kath 10
Valier 9
Naria 9
Shelob 7
Márcolië Lamen 6
Aiwendil 6
WaynetheGoblin 5
AbercrombieOfRohan 4
Farael 3

[Naria]

However, at the risk of appearing immodest, I feel rather proud of having spotted Naria. It was little to do with TGWBS having targetted you and voted for you, Naria, but a direct result of the theory that I posted. You know, the one that analysed the percentages of votes for known innocents. You stood out to me as the only person who had not voted for a known (to me) innocent. Hmm, I must bear that theory in mind for the futu

SPM, you should be proud of yourself for spotting me and you did it all by yourself....well, good for you. I had already said in my previous post at the end of this game that everyone has there own opinion of what happened, that would have included you. I'm not a stupid person I just played stupidly this time so no need to patronize me with "you know, the one that analysed the percentages of votes for known innocents." I got it. With mentioning that sentence, I would just like to say that I would hate to be an ordo and have voted the same way that I did, with your theory I would be guilty no matter what and would probably have to declare my innocents too early in the game.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Naria

I'm not a stupid person I just played stupidly this time so no need to patronize me ...

Oh, I'm sorry if it came across like that. It wasn't meant that way at all. I would not describe your votes as stupid, given that it is generally those whose votes contribute towards the lynching of an innocent that come under most suspicion. It wasn't through anything particularly wrong that you did. I was just just trying to look at it in a different way, and it happened to work out.

It is so rare that I actually manage to spot a Wolf in these games, so please excuse my (very) little moment of glory ...

[Aiwendil]

SPM wrote:

Nilp I knew was innocent from our exchange of acrostics (the first letters in each line of two of our posts).

I noticed your "Me too Nilp" when you posted it, but I still cannot find Nilpaurion's. Would you care to put me out of my misery?

Incidentally, I find it interesting that even after I'd been killed, there was a call for my lynching. I thought for a moment I might go the way of Oliver Cromwell.

[Naria]

Sauce: You did do a good job in spotting me. I was quite surprised at how fast it happened. I really did enjoy playing in this game with you

Ahh well, now that we have 'aired our dirty laundry' lets move on, shall we

[Glirdan]

It was clear (to me at least) from Cailin's death that Glirdan was the Hunter.(Saucy)

Was I that blantantly obvious?? I thought I was doing a pretty good job, but, now, when I think about it, that post where I put down whom I thought was innocent was probably rather obvious.

TGWBS, you had me going thinking you were the Seer for the longest time. Even Cailin thought you were. She said so in one of her PM's and after you changed your mind of my guilt back on Day 4 (not quite sure of that), I could have sworn you dreamed of me.

As for my Hunts, I believe that Night 2 was Valier, Night 3 SpM, Night 4 was possibly morm, Night 5 was Kath and Night 6 was Garin. The first two I'm absolutely certain of as well as Night 6. Night 4 and 5 I don't quite remember, but I do remember sending Menel morm's name as well as Kath's.

Oh, I know what I meant to ask. Wolves, did you spot Glirdan as the Hunter after Cailin's revelation?(Saucy)

I was wondering the exact same thing. Do tell. I was wondering when the heck I was going to be attacked because I had a feeling that after Cailin's death, I was a sure gonner.

Speaking of Cailin, it was awsome to have comunicated with you. To bad we couldn't syncronize or Nightly activities more. That's what I hate about time differences!! GRR!!! Oh well, what's done is done. Great game!!