WWJ III - Nan Qualinmerë: Death Wish Valley

[Valier]

I thought I would post a quick post before school.

Originally Posted by Fea

We know each other fairly well in this village... take advantage of it

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I wish this was true..but I don't really know any of you,so I guess this puts me at a bit of a disadvantage for knowing what someone will do.

That whole last post by Shelob was weird so to speak. Why would you say that you understand why people would vote for you? you are pretty much shouting wolf to me by saying go ahead kill me now, then in the same sentence saying don't look at me,look at everyone else. Getting a little edgy?

Then you say your not going to post more, just stay quiet till the vote....I've seen that somewhere before........I think it was a wolf.

Well that's all I have time for now I will look at what has developed when I get home and vote before the deadline.

[Mithalwen]

Have to go, may not be back so must vote.... could vote for me but I know I am innocent so will vote for the person who confuses me most ..... it may seem like spite since she drew attention to then excused my necessary absence btu Ican't help it.... I don't expect followers , my judgement is really off lately but I know she can be a very dangerous wolf or a very confusing innocent - so really this is a compliment!!!
++Feanor

[Kath]

Right I have returned! And I must admit to complete shock - Lommy was a wolf! Kudos to anyone that actually spotted that and didn't vote randomly.

But to todays problems. There seems to be a lot of fighting between people, with Garin and Shelob in particular being very defensive. Being accused is often just a way for people to generate discussion, it doesn't mean they have something against you on a personal level. Don't take it to heart!

Now yesterday we had three bandwagons through the day for Lommy and Eonwe:
Lommy - Eomer, Anguirel, tar
Eonwe - Kath, Mith, Valesse
Eomer - Fea, Shelob, Lommy

We know that Lommy was a wolf and we know that Eomer and Eonwe were innocents. Now I doubt that wolves would vote for one of their own on the first day so (by my reasoning) that rules out Anguirel and tar as well. I am prepared to believe though that a wolf would be in either the Eonwe or the Eomer bandwagons. I'm going to rule out Fea (albeit grudgingly) because of the backtracking. While that might seem suspicious, I don't think she expected so many people to hop on the end of her vote and actually kill Eomer.

Fribble the tortoises need feeding. More in about half an hour.

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

Abercrombie voted for me on day one, because she was baffled by my vote for Ang. I didn't care for her reasoning,

You're looking way too deeply into my vote (the only vote that you got all day, so I still can't see why you're harping on it). I voted for you because:
a) the day had barely even started yet and you had voted for Ang, someone who I thought was likely innocent.
b) there was already a bandwagon going on with Eomer (I can't remember if the Eonwe one had truly started yet) and I certainly did not feel comfortable voting for him (because of the bandwagon, his hints and the fact that he's a good player and someone that I didn't want to lose immediately.)
c) it was the first day. I'd say that you shouldn't worry too much about my vote simply because there was very little reasoning behind it except what I've mentioned above. But what else was I supposed to do? This amount of evidence is a perfectly logical amount to go on on the first day and I'm sure there were other votes that had less reasoning.

It seems to me that to continue your suspicion of me and Anguirel is futile and a retribution for our noted suspicions of you.

As far as AbercrombieOfRohan, I apologize for making fun of your name (linking you to a certain brand name)

You were making fun of me? I didn't even notice...

But enough of that... Let's move on to bigger and better things.

Shelob- You're confusing the Inferno out of me friend. One minute you seem a very likely candidate for lynching and discussion and the next you start making sense. Stop that and make up your mind! Either be ridiculously suspicious so I have reason to vote for you or be completely innocent so I can write you off. Tolkien would be disappointed, he always clearly defined his good and evil.

the rest is, for a while anyways, silence.

I'm not happy with this statement. I think that in your position it's best that you continue talking so that I can more clearly fix my thoughts on you. (Though I do understand your reasoning, I think that regardless, you're going to be a topic of discussion today.)

Tar's was a defence? hmm...maybe I should go fully wake up before continuing, I took it as more stones being slung my way...

I read it this way also. Anguirel, care to explain your comment about it being a defense?

However, I'll ask this: DON'T FOCUS ON ME TODAY!

I'll ask you then Shelob, who else should we focus on today? It seems that of the names mentioned so far, it's going to be you, Garin and possibly Wayne who have their names dragged through the mud. The only other possibilites are Tar, Anguirel and Fea, who if any one of these people are wolves, I will be thoroughly disappointed in myself, because right now they are seeming more innocent than you.

I'd also like to hear much more from Mith (I know you have computer problems) and Kath. They could be assets to this game, but their silence is making me uneasy.

I hope that's it, if I repeated myself or didn't make sense...well, blame anything that's already been sent to Mordor.

[Anguirel]

tar-ancalime basically reminded me at one point that assuming Shelob's guilt did a great disservice to the tactics of Thinlomien-that two wolves wouldn't blithely hop onto the same bandwagon. I had to admit that this was a good point, and it's still the major evidence in favour of Shelob's innocence in my mind.

Kath, do defend yourself when you have the time. I don't really want to have to keep my vote for you, for you are lusciously fair of countenance and I'm fond of the tortoises.

[Kath]

Well my absence got me a vote but nevermind. Votes for those who are quiet are often from those with something to hide behind bluster and talk. Since you say you want a defence Anguirel here it is - I'm innocent. Useless defence I know but it's all I have. Also, I said when I voted that I had no real reasoning for the vote. I am sorry that it led to the death of an innocent but I'm afraid I had nothing to go on.

Back to my post. I rule out Fea for removing herself from the bandwagon as I said. I will also remove myself. That leaves Mith, Valesse and Shelob. Of those three I would consider Shelob the most suspicious, though I freely admit that that is based on a lot of what has been said today. Mith we have not seen much of today due to her troubles and because of that I am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt as she seems so frazzled that I think it unlikely to be a bluff of any kind! Valesse I am not sure about. Her explanation of her vote was as good a one as any (and far better than mine).

I'm always a little wary of dissecting bandwagon votes though, as it is possible that everyone on them are innocents. The wolves may wish to distance themselves from something that's going to be so carefully looked at.

So, the other votes:
Garin-->Anguirel
eonwe-->Valier
Valier-->Wayne
Abercrombie-->Garin
Fea-->Fea
Roa_Aoife-->Shelob
Wayne-->Fea 2

No one but Fea had more than one vote to their name, and to be honest since that second vote was given by Wayne I'm not inclined to read much into it. Gandalf didn't vote but I'm taking his word on not knowing we had started as if I hadn't been hanging round here I wouldn't have either!

So that leaves me with these as a list of possible wolves:
Shelob - as I've said any suspicion here is mostly based on the accusations people have been throwing at her all day, as well as extremely defensive posts in response.

Garin - again very defensive. He has been consistent, voting for Anguirel on both days. This makes me think he might be innocent, as not many newbie wolves would stick so to their principles (at least in my opinion).

Valier - did a very helpful analysis of Eomer's posts. They do point to Shelob's being guilty but then, Eomer didn't actually know anything. Voted for Wayne, which I can see as an understandable random vote on the first day.

Abercrombie - suspects Shelob simply because she lived past day 1. Talks quite a bit though mainly in response to others. Seems to be cool and clear headed, which actually makes me suspect her as a wolf would have extra knowledge and might have a least some assurity of what was going to happen.

Roa - has made one post today (I think). Can't do anything about him til he reappears.

So:
Shelob and Abercrombie are those I have suspicions of based on something tangible.

Based on gut feeling, I'm not keen on Garin and Anguirel. Not in retaliation to the vote I just received before someone points that out. I have a natural tendency to distrust anyone that seems to be taking charge. It's habit.

[Anguirel]

That'll do passing well, Lady Kath. I'm going to vote for Roa_Aoife. A friendly spur to provoke a tad more action.

--KATH, ++ROA_AOIFE

Well, if you can retract, you might as well retract, blast it...

[Kath]

Ok time for someone to help me with my maths.

a) Have there already been two votes for Fea, one from Mith and one from Wayne?

b) When is the deadline?

And for fear of not getting back on here before the time's up, here is a vote just in case.

++WAYNE

Because if I am back in time to change it that's great, but if not I'm not so averse to losing him.

[WaynetheGoblin]

i dont trust anyone.i dont care what he said but i go by my gut.i wanted to change my vote and abrodcrobie sorry your before me. gandalf has been acting strange to strange and with all the things going on i will vote.

++gandalf

[Garin]

Shelob: However, I'll ask this: DON'T FOCUS ON ME TODAY!

That was wonderful by the way but I can do you one better.
HEY GUYS, I AM A GREAT GUY, FUN TO BE AROUND AND EXTREMELY GOOD LOOKING SO NEVER LYNCH ME. 'KAY?
Anyways, I'm strapped for time and have really missed why Wayne, Kath and Gandalf have garnered votes. Not to be lazy but direct me to the posts.
Okay, I'm being lazy.
I am a carpenter and I think I had one splinter too many today.

[Shelob]

Umm, Ang, could you lay off the "shiningly gorgeous"s and "oh wondrous passing fair maiden"s. At least in regards to me...quite frankly they make me more nervous than someone wearing a sign that says "Werewolf and proud of it"

Speaking of signs:

Tolkien would be disappointed, he always clearly defined his good and evil.

I'm pretty sure he'd be disappointed by this whole thing then, since for "good and evil" to be "clearly defined" the wolves would have to either tell us they're evil or be wearing the previously mentioned signes...somehow I don't forsee this happing, this side of reality anyway.

I think that in your position it's best that you continue talking so that I can more clearly fix my thoughts on you.

Perhaps, but I wanted to give a chance for other people to to be noticed, and to speak, I'm back now so fix your thoughts away.

That whole last post by Shelob was weird so to speak. Why would you say that you understand why people would vote for you? you are pretty much shouting wolf to me by saying go ahead kill me now, then in the same sentence saying don't look at me,look at everyone else. Getting a little edgy?

Not edgy, irked. But as to why do I understand if people vote for (and even, perchance, end up lynching me), quite simply because I am in a very suspicious looking position, people look for (and vote for) people who look suspicious. If I didn't understand that I'd have a real issue now wouldn't I.

As for "saying go ahead and kill me now", I'm pretty sure I didn't say that. Perhaps you read it as that but I said I understand if you all end up killing me. To that "shouting wolf", perhaps we're playing with different wolves? The last time I checked the ones we're after were trying not to shout their presence to the world.


By my reconing there's ~5.5 hrs until this Day ends, correct? Since I can be on pretty consistantly until then I'll keep checking in fairly regularly.