Tol-in-Gaurhoth XVI: No man is an Island

[Farael]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

Unfortunately, unless we get a wolf the Seer (and inevitably the Apprentice) may not have a whole lot to work with. There is still a large element of risk with this

That is EXACTLY the point... the seer has nothing to work with right now, so he should come forward and share his information before he gets killed! we still have the apprentice and if we don't take any risks, we will not get those werewolves. They have shown to be quite cunning as I don't think anyone here can make a GOOD argument against anyone else. The only situation in which I'd tell the Seer not to bother is if two of the names he got from either Moderacil or Garin were of people who are dead now (or even the three of them) that would leave only one known innocent and the seer, which sort of defeats the purpose of my idea. If the Seer knows two live innocents (at the very least) he should come forward so that we have SOMETHING to work with.

But then it is all up to the Seer, not me, to decide.

[Gurthang]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

If you didn’t have a problem with the idea, then why mention anything about it at all? You were either being obtuse or were just trying to stir up trouble for me. That part of my comment was obviously just a turn of phrase. You are growing ever more suspicious in my mind.

As are you in mine. The fact that you said 'all honest souls' seemed to imply that anyone who did not follow your advice was not an honest soul. I didn't like the sound of that, and so I said so. I did not have a problem with anyone going back to review what Valier said; I had a problem with you implying that anyone who did not is dishonest, thus being a wolf.

Originally Posted by Amanaduial

Another villager I would like to mention is Gurthang. Sure, Valier says she does not suspect him, thereby meaning she poses little or no threat to him – but remember, she’s got it wrong before, she could similarly be wrong about Gurthang’s innocence. I don’t know, I feel somewhat uneasy of him… He seems to be a prime bandwagoner, both on the mob that went after Nilp (latching onto Cailin’s theory), then – and this is an interesting one I think – onto Valier’s ‘bad feeling’ about Malkatoj (post #247)…but doesn’t really give any other explanation for this mention; he just pretty much repeats what Cailin said. I sense bandwagonage. Maybe he thought that, as Valier did not suspect him, she posed no threat, and that he could secure a pleasant relationship with her by agreeing with this feeling and maybe trying to incite feeling against another player in the hope that it would start a ball rolling – even though, again, there is no evidence. This seems like he was just trying to safely displace all suspicion onto Malka (although admittedly there was very little around him – but this could be like the paranoia Garin displayed), while almost in cahoots with Valier – meaning that killing her would be unlikely to be linked to him.

Quite frankly, this is wrong. And I can prove it factually.

You say I was "latching onto Cailin's theory" concerning Nilp. Actually, I came up with my own theories about that, so if anything, Cailin was latching onto me.

My post #155

Originally Posted by Gurthang

Although, if Garin is a wolf, I'd look into Nilp actually being one also, which would make sense because of Garin saved Nilp with that last minute vote.

Cailin had mentioned Nilp thrice before that post. I'll post the core of them (where his name is). If you want to see the whole posts, just look up the numbers.

#107

Originally Posted by Cailin

How dreadfully selfish of you to start being all suicidal at a time like this! *sobs* Do you even care about the rest of us? Do you?!


Then again, this was not wholly unexpected. I’d advise everyone not to vote for Nilp, since his dead will tell us naught and by the by, he is just an attention-seeker, really. Moreover, we might be able to squeeze some sense out of one of his personalities before the end, so I vote for keeping him around for a little while longer.

#130

Originally Posted by Cailin

I have not much to go on, actually, just as much as all other innocents and may therefore seem rather judgmental. Though I do believe that Nilp is just being himself and I would have preferred to have kept him around for a few more days, he might as well be guilty and I could accept Lhuna’s vote as mere irritation. However, I have a rather high regard for our Potion Pizza Maker and would have thought her vote to be a little more… helpful.

#146

Originally Posted by Cailin

It seems like the wolves are on the good side for now, which is a positive thing! What luck they killed their only possible ally! Though I feel rather bad for killing Gil since he was just an innocent, let us be honest, we would have killed him eventually anyway. And I am rather curious to see whether Nilp continues along the same lines.

Those are not exactly the same thoughts I was having, quite the opposite in fact. I don't see how you can say that I was following him.

And as far as malkatoj is concerned, I did echo Valier's feelings. But I had already expressed slight concern about malkatoj Days before.

My post #137

Originally Posted by Gurthang

I'm thinking my vote will be for either Garin, Eluchil, or malkatoj. Garin just seems almost overly defensive. Eluchil was somewhat flip-floppy earlier, and malkatoj's vote for Nilp (the third for him) seemed an awful lot like a wolf starting a bandwagon.

Which, by the way, is a feeling I still can't quite shake. But that's not near enough to make a case on, and I've got a lot more evidence against others.


But, at the moment, I have another thing entirely that I want to happen. I have seen very strong Hunter hints from two different people. One of them is a wolf, the other is the true Hunter. I'd prefer to have them come out themselves, but if necessary, I will simply call them out.

[Lhunardawen]

Don't worry guys...the Lhunatic is not to return again. Not in this game, anyway.

I must admit that I find this killing of Valier last Night rather odd...unless the wolves thought she was gifted, which I rather doubt they did. This would be a more likely explanation for her death: to incriminate those she suspected and/or to clear those she trusted enough to consider innocent. Either way, I believe this was done to help the wolves. Likely she mentioned at least one wolf among those she pegged as innocent, and then the lycans took advantage of this to let themselves off the hook.

Kuru, Gurthang, Rune, Farael, and Cailin. Which is which, I wonder.

It's weird, but Gurthang, suddenly I also share your growing suspicions of Kuruharan. For one, senseless as this might be, I wonder that he is yet alive considering that someone of his caliber should have been killed early on by the wolves.

Second, I am a bit wary of how he seems to manage to sway the village into doing things the way he wants them done. There's Garin's lynching, then later on Nilp's lynching. I'm just afraid that we might end up lynching the innocents one by one under his subtle direction.

Now I'm sure this will elicit another tirade from our dear Dwarf, but that's another thing that scares me; he's being overly defensive. It just strikes me as suspicious that he makes himself look less capable of doing anything bold than we believe he can...indeed perhaps than he believes he himself can. Could be a way to keep the werewolves from killing him, but could also be a way to keep us from suspecting him any further.

He reminds me of a certain Eomer from a certain village called Loveland...too much...

But for the meantime, I'm willing to put this growing suspicion on hold. Which reminds me, Kuru, yesterDay you said this:

Unfortunately, I now have a theory that involves a couple of other people, but the only way I can think of to reliably test it is by killing Nilp even if he is innocent.

Whatever this is, I believe now is a good time to let it out, since my poor brother is already dead.

Enough Kuru talk for now, and let's focus on Naria, who in my mind is just becoming too clearly lupine. I'm nearly so convinced of her lycanthropy that I might be completely willing to drag her myself with me to my death, if needs be. Maybe it seems a little overdramatic, but I just feel that way.

I mean, seriously. And I'm not going to trust my mind's newbie rationalization any longer.

Originally Posted by Naria, post #282

Since she isn't going to be back on I'll generalize my comment. I really don't know were she came up with that analysis. It looks to me like she is trying desperately to take certain eyes off of her. She has done a complete 160 and has said nothing about me up till today and vaguely goes into why she suspects me and votes for me. That my fellow villagers is suspicious behaviour. Then her abnormal behaviour in her last couple of posts. She is either using some really good hallucinogenic ingredients in her pizzas or she's trying to tell us something-wolf?

Well the time is ticking away I have too go and close up my store for today. I have suspicions about Luna(obvious reasons) and a couple of others that I don't want to go into right now. I will maintain my opinion about Nilpand vote for him today.

My dear, if you really have something specific to say in your defense, you shouldn't let anyone's absence constrain you. It's seems to me just a pathetic attempt to save your hide for fear of slipping into a self-incriminating comment.

And what do you mean "obvious reasons" (for suspecting me)? Because I suspected you? There's just no way I can take eyes off of me with a suspicion of someone who was previously unsuspected.

There's really not much posts of you for me to analyze, but my radar is just beeping like crazy about you.

Originally Posted by Gurthang

But, at the moment, I have another thing entirely that I want to happen. I have seen very strong Hunter hints from two different people. One of them is a wolf, the other is the true Hunter. I'd prefer to have them come out themselves, but if necessary, I will simply call them out.

I've seen Hunter hints from just one person early on in the game. I wonder if we speak of the same...