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Old 01-10-2006, 11:35 AM   #6
Tuor of Gondolin
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
 
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There's a bit of additional speculation here, especially at the end:
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Dorwinion

"From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

In J. R. R. Tolkien's fictional universe of Middle-earth, Dorwinion or Dor-Winion, the Land of Wines, is a land which lay on the northwestern shores of the Sea of Rhûn.

Dorwinion was drawn at Tolkien's advice on Pauline Baynes' map of Middle-earth as lying at the end of the Carnen and Celduin, and in that position it has since appeared on other maps.

Dorwinion is mentioned in The Hobbit as the place where the special wine of the Elven King (Thranduil) comes from, and the barrels are returned by way of the Forest River to the Long Lake of Esgaroth.

It is also mentioned in the Narn i Chîn Húrin, where it was drunk in Thingol's halls of Menegroth. It is said there to lie in the Burning south, which might suggest it was a different 'Dorwinion', or may just have referred to the fact it came from the more southern lands of Rhovanion by way of the dwarf-road.

In Dorwinion was made a heady wine, which was strong enough to let even Elves get drunk and fall asleep.

Not much else is known about Dorwinion, and the name cannot easily be translated. It is not even known if the name is true Sindarin.

It has been suggested by Tolkienists that the name may not have been Sindarin at all, but come from an Avari or Nandorin tongue: if that is the case Dorwinion may have been the only Avari realm close to those areas of Middle-earth that Tolkien's stories take place. Certainly the element "Winion", apparently meaning "wine", has no probable origin in any known etymology. Support for the Elven origin of Dorwinion is that its population must have been Elvish, since it
was already well established while the Atanatári were still young.
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