Tol-in-Gaurhoth XV-The Villagers Strike Back! - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Farael · 12-23-2005, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mormegil

I ask myself that everytime I play with him

Does he actually not read every game? I'm basing my suspicions in that he at least READS. Maybe he doesn't talk but he reads and so makes choices, disguising his colours under his.... how to say it? Wayneness??

Kath · 12-23-2005, 07:44 PM

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It matters not if some of us die to save the island, the point is to eliminate these heros and gain victory, which can best be achieved by double killings.

How? I'm sorry if you've explained it before but if you did then I didn't understand.

Look I'm not against them altogether, I just feel that we should at least find out first whether Wayne is a Hero because everyone is assuming that he is and basing their attacks on others by the way they have been regarding him (as well as other stuff) when there is no point in doing so because we don't yet know if he is guilty!

Gurthang · 12-23-2005, 08:32 PM

I'm with morm in this. Kath, why don't you like double killings? True, it may not be the essence of the game and it is likely that we will get two innocents, but looking at it in a broader perspective, we can afford that risk and still win fairly easily.

And I still think that if we do away with Wayne we will be rid of one hero. So if we lose an innocent, it will be just like normal, except the heroes have taken a major shot. And we just might get lucky and kill both heroes toNight. That would be spectacular.

mormegil · 12-23-2005, 08:35 PM

We have 5 known innocents today and will have 5 tomorrow. We need to eliminate the unknown quicker than they eliminate the known. We have the advantage of being able to kill 2 the Heroes can only kill 1. We therefore can eliminate the unknown element quicker than they can the known. With such great luck that we had they eliminated Huan for us so the only people that can interfer with this plan is the Heroes and that will expose them and I truly am beginning to think that you are one of them.

I suggest that we vote Kath and Wayne.

If not Kath then Eomer of Boromir will be fine.

Boromir88 · 12-23-2005, 08:39 PM

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I'm with morm in this. Kath, why don't you like double killings? True, it may not be the essence of the game and it is likely that we will get two innocents, but looking at it in a broader perspective, we can afford that risk and still win fairly easily.

Not to mention hopefully Mithalwen can still protect Formendacil during the day, giving us one more chance with our Seer.

Lhunardawen · 12-24-2005, 05:51 AM

Gaurhothmas draws near...and so I must vote.

++WaynetheGoblin

I fully intend to vote for him, anyway.

I hope I can still be here when the Night comes to an end.

Last thing. Someone who has the time and the will, please look closely at Eomer of the Rohirrim. Sorry dearie, but you're not sitting well with me. It's just that there's something...different about you.

Kath · 12-24-2005, 05:54 AM

Fine, I'll vote

++SPAWN

But I'm not happy about it!

Lhunardawen · 12-24-2005, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by mormegil

Mainly because Eomer wanted to know why he looked innocent which I don't see why a guilty would ask that.

Don't you see? A wolf like Eomer can pull this kind of question off as a hero. Not that I have any real reasons to suspect him but this very nearly counts as one.

Seriously, I still don't understand why dancing spawn is a devouree all of a sudden. Anyone care to explain?

Lhunardawen · 12-24-2005, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Gurthang

You, Boromir, and Eomer need to both vote Spawn. Spawn will vote for Wayne. Oddwen will not vote toNight.

That leaves morm and I around to make sure that everything goes according to plan. I don't see why it shouldn't, unless we're killing both heroes. If that is the case, then it's a lost cause, because you'll die the next Night, even if we do screw this up.

Does this mean we're actually going with Eomer's suggestion? Not that I have a problem with that, but we don't know what could transpire during the accursed Day.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 12-24-2005, 07:53 AM

But I am right. There is no way the Heroes can win now.

Oddwen · 12-23-2005, 08:48 PM

I fear that eating that scavenger has made me quite ill...

So much has happened...head spinning...

All hail Sauron, Lord of the Earth, etc.-

A rather radical idea to propose - you'll probably all hate me but...

Since we're talking about a double lynch, if we lynch Farael and (say) Wayne, providing Farael is the hunter he could take one more possible hero down...it's not likely he'll be chosen by the heroes the next DAY, it would cut the odds for the next NIGHT...

Oww...I might have to vote in an hour. Ow. Ow. Ow.

Boromir88 · 12-23-2005, 08:57 PM

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Since we're talking about a double lynch, if we lynch Farael and (say) Wayne, providing Farael is the hunter he could take one more possible hero down...it's not likely he'll be chosen by the heroes the next DAY, it would cut the odds for the next NIGHT...

Problem is as mormegil says our goal is to kill off the unknowns faster than the heroes can kill the knowns.

Right now, this is just hypothetical but there are 7 unknowns:

Boromir
Lhuna
Kath
Oddwen
Eomer
Wayne
Spawn

Two of these are heroes. Let's say we do a double lynch of Wayne and Eomer and neither of them happen to turn out to be heroes. The following day (assuming Mithalwen can protect Formendacil) worst case scenario we'll have 5 knowns and 5 unknowns. Two of the unkowns being heroes (or perhaps Formendacil is able to spot another hero).

But let's say he doesn't find a hero, this leaves two heroes amongst 5 unkowns. Then the next day we can probably kiss Sauron goodbye.

If we double-lynch Farael and he takes down another innocent. (It's possible he picks a hero, but I'm just simply going by worst case scenarios). This leaves us with 4 knowns and 5 uknowns. I agree with mormegil in that it's not a good idea to kill off our known innocents, though he be Carcharoth. And our best chances lie in killing off the uknowns faster then the heroes can kill the knowns.

mormegil · 12-23-2005, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Oddwen

A rather radical idea to propose - you'll probably all hate me but...

Since we're talking about a double lynch, if we lynch Farael and (say) Wayne, providing Farael is the hunter he could take one more possible hero down...it's not likely he'll be chosen by the heroes the next DAY, it would cut the odds for the next NIGHT...

No I don't hate you but I do hate the idea. It makes no sense to take down a known innocent so he can kill somebody. All we do there is help the heroes by eliminating one more known innocent from the pool. We could kill 2 on our own and not have to kill Farael to get another.

It just doesn't make any sense to me.

Gurthang · 12-23-2005, 09:00 PM

Killing Farael puts us at one less known innocent. The heroes aren't likely to kill him, not for a couple Days at least, but by then it will be narrowed down enough that he can probably get a hero when he hunts. It is really better not to kill him, not now at least.

Farael · 12-23-2005, 09:02 PM

I will gladly do so if that's what the majority says, Oddwen but there's one little problem. If you get rid of me and ask me to get rid of another suspected individual, you might be loosing three innocents. If that happens, the Heroes will take out a fourth one and the odds will be strongly in their favour. How many of us are there left? twelve? They'd get rid of A THIRD of the innocents in one strike.

I think it's too risky but I don't want to sound as if I'm trying to protect my own skin. As I said before, if that's the general agreement then I shall accept it.

Farael · 12-23-2005, 09:03 PM

Cross posted with Gurthang... and sorry my friend but I'm a he

Gurthang · 12-23-2005, 09:03 PM

Yes, apologies about that... it has been changed.

Boromir88 · 12-23-2005, 09:06 PM

Farael, our advantage is we can still keep Sauron for one more day. So, if the heroes do kill another innocent, Formendacil can either spot a hero or another innocent. So, the heroes kill tonight will not play a big factor.

mormegil · 12-23-2005, 11:05 PM

Innocents
Formendacil
morm
Mithalwen
Farael
Gurthang

Unknowns
Kath
Eomer
spawn
Wayne
Oddwen
Lhuna
Boromir

One unknown and one innocent have voted.

Wayne 1
Farael 1

What needs to be done, and quickly, is decide who the other candidate is besides Wayne and establish the plan. Out of the unknowns I would be in favor of leaving Oddwen and eliminating any other. That leaves

Kath
Eomer
Spawn
Lhuna
Boromir

Kath made a good case against Lhuna. Eomer is oddly silent. Boromir is vocal and willing to die but somewhat threatens us that it will be on our hands. Spawn hasn't been seen too much. Kath has been rather vocal today and seemingly heroish with her attempt to prevent the double killings.

Out of these I'm thinking the Heroes would be silent today so even though killing Kath and feasting on her carcass would bring me great delight I think the little runt may be innocent but misguided. Now that leaves Eomer and Spawn (as well as Lhuna but I'll give her time) each can be crafty. So if Formendacil has no objection I would think Eomer or Spawn should go today as well as Wayne. I will be willing to be here near the deadline, unless unforseen problems arise, to ensure the success of our double kill.

I would put us in the following camps

Wayne vote
Mithalwen
Spawn or Eomer
Lhuna
Kath

Spawn or Eomer vote
Farael
Boromir
Spawn or Eomer
Oddwen

It would be nice to have Gurthang, Formendacil and me hang around unil the last hour to clean things up as needed. Let me know if that works.

mormegil · 12-23-2005, 11:10 PM

Wayne vote
Mithalwen
Spawn or Eomer
Lhuna
Farael

Spawn or Eomer vote
Kath
Boromir
Spawn or Eomer
Oddwen

A revision was needed to account for Farael's cross post.

Wayne has 2 votes. We need to get started on the next candidate.

Gurthang · 12-23-2005, 11:26 PM

Sounds good morm, especially saving a few votes as a safety. I'll make sure I'm here till the end of the Night.

Unfortunately, with Farael voting for Wayne, it puts a lot of unknown's voting in one group. So unless we can get most of them to vote very soon, we might be getting too close to the end of the Night to pull it off.

I'd strongly advise everyone on morm's lists to vote as he has said, and do it as soon as possible. If you still don't like the double kill idea, well, say so, but I think we're doing it anyway. I think most of the wolves has voiced their willingness to follow that course of action. I think that Kath has voiced her dislike for the plan, but I think she'll go along with the pack; I know Boromir is. We haven't heard Spawn or Eomer's comments on doing a double. Oddwen posted but said nothing for or against. Lhuna hasn't been here yet toNight, and I'm not really expecting her. Wayne has voted, so we don't have to worry about him.

Morm, I think we need to specify between Spawn and Eomer. I'd prefer Eomer, but I'm not the best in picking out who's guilty. In other words, just pick whoever.

mormegil · 12-23-2005, 11:59 PM

Okay I agree I just hope we are correct in this. I will say Spawn unless Formendacil disagrees. Mainly because Eomer wanted to know why he looked innocent which I don't see why a guilty would ask that. He could either be killed tomorrow or dreamt of tonight depending upon Formendacil

SO EVERYBODY THE VOTE NOW IS FOR SPAWN!!!

Gurthang · 12-24-2005, 12:13 AM

So shall it be. I'm going to go take a nap now. I'll be back again before the Night is over. When I do get back, I expect to see that everyone who needs to has voted for their appointed person.

(900th post!

)

dancing spawn of ungoliant · 12-24-2005, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by mormegil

SO EVERYBODY THE VOTE NOW IS FOR SPAWN!!!

Well, thanks a lot. What if I disagree, does that count?

Although morm is a proven wolf, I think it's unfair that he gets to decide alone, who'll end up devoured.

I'm being suspected again because I don't stay up all Night discussing with you. Hmph. Well, shall I vote for myself or Wayne, then?

12-23-2005, 08:32 PM	#3
Gurthang Sword of Spirit Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Oh, I'm around. Posts: 1,401	I'm with morm in this. Kath, why don't you like double killings? True, it may not be the essence of the game and it is likely that we will get two innocents, but looking at it in a broader perspective, we can afford that risk and still win fairly easily. And I still think that if we do away with Wayne we will be rid of one hero. So if we lose an innocent, it will be just like normal, except the heroes have taken a major shot. And we just might get lucky and kill both heroes toNight. That would be spectacular. __________________ I'm on a Mission from God.

12-23-2005, 08:35 PM	#4
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	We have 5 known innocents today and will have 5 tomorrow. We need to eliminate the unknown quicker than they eliminate the known. We have the advantage of being able to kill 2 the Heroes can only kill 1. We therefore can eliminate the unknown element quicker than they can the known. With such great luck that we had they eliminated Huan for us so the only people that can interfer with this plan is the Heroes and that will expose them and I truly am beginning to think that you are one of them. I suggest that we vote Kath and Wayne. If not Kath then Eomer of Boromir will be fine. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

12-24-2005, 05:54 AM	#7
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Fine, I'll vote ++SPAWN But I'm not happy about it! __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

12-24-2005, 07:53 AM	#10
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	But I am right. There is no way the Heroes can win now. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

12-23-2005, 08:48 PM	#11
Oddwen Drummer in the Deep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Next Sunday A.D. Posts: 2,145	Ow, my aching head... I fear that eating that scavenger has made me quite ill... So much has happened...head spinning... All hail Sauron, Lord of the Earth, etc.- A rather radical idea to propose - you'll probably all hate me but... Since we're talking about a double lynch, if we lynch Farael and (say) Wayne, providing Farael is the hunter he could take one more possible hero down...it's not likely he'll be chosen by the heroes the next DAY, it would cut the odds for the next NIGHT... Oww...I might have to vote in an hour. Ow. Ow. Ow. __________________ But all the while I sit and think of times there were before I listen for returning feet and voices at the door

12-24-2005, 05:51 AM	#6
Lhunardawen Hauntress of the Havens Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IN it, but not OF it Posts: 2,538	Gaurhothmas draws near...and so I must vote. ++WaynetheGoblin I fully intend to vote for him, anyway. I hope I can still be here when the Night comes to an end. Last thing. Someone who has the time and the will, please look closely at Eomer of the Rohirrim. Sorry dearie, but you're not sitting well with me. It's just that there's something...different about you.

12-23-2005, 09:00 PM	#14
Gurthang Sword of Spirit Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Oh, I'm around. Posts: 1,401	Killing Farael puts us at one less known innocent. The heroes aren't likely to kill him, not for a couple Days at least, but by then it will be narrowed down enough that he can probably get a hero when he hunts. It is really better not to kill him, not now at least. __________________ I'm on a Mission from God. Last edited by Gurthang; 12-23-2005 at 09:05 PM. Reason: changing 'her' to 'him' (I just can't seem to get that right)

12-23-2005, 09:02 PM	#15
Farael Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: In hospitals, call rooms and (rarely) my apartment. Posts: 1,538	I will gladly do so if that's what the majority says, Oddwen but there's one little problem. If you get rid of me and ask me to get rid of another suspected individual, you might be loosing three innocents. If that happens, the Heroes will take out a fourth one and the odds will be strongly in their favour. How many of us are there left? twelve? They'd get rid of A THIRD of the innocents in one strike. I think it's too risky but I don't want to sound as if I'm trying to protect my own skin. As I said before, if that's the general agreement then I shall accept it.

12-23-2005, 09:03 PM	#16
Farael Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: In hospitals, call rooms and (rarely) my apartment. Posts: 1,538	Cross posted with Gurthang... and sorry my friend but I'm a he

12-23-2005, 09:06 PM	#18
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	Farael, our advantage is we can still keep Sauron for one more day. So, if the heroes do kill another innocent, Formendacil can either spot a hero or another innocent. So, the heroes kill tonight will not play a big factor. __________________ Fenris Penguin

12-23-2005, 11:05 PM	#19
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	Innocents Formendacil morm Mithalwen Farael Gurthang Unknowns Kath Eomer spawn Wayne Oddwen Lhuna Boromir One unknown and one innocent have voted. Wayne 1 Farael 1 What needs to be done, and quickly, is decide who the other candidate is besides Wayne and establish the plan. Out of the unknowns I would be in favor of leaving Oddwen and eliminating any other. That leaves Kath Eomer Spawn Lhuna Boromir Kath made a good case against Lhuna. Eomer is oddly silent. Boromir is vocal and willing to die but somewhat threatens us that it will be on our hands. Spawn hasn't been seen too much. Kath has been rather vocal today and seemingly heroish with her attempt to prevent the double killings. Out of these I'm thinking the Heroes would be silent today so even though killing Kath and feasting on her carcass would bring me great delight I think the little runt may be innocent but misguided. Now that leaves Eomer and Spawn (as well as Lhuna but I'll give her time) each can be crafty. So if Formendacil has no objection I would think Eomer or Spawn should go today as well as Wayne. I will be willing to be here near the deadline, unless unforseen problems arise, to ensure the success of our double kill. I would put us in the following camps Wayne vote Mithalwen Spawn or Eomer Lhuna Kath Spawn or Eomer vote Farael Boromir Spawn or Eomer Oddwen It would be nice to have Gurthang, Formendacil and me hang around unil the last hour to clean things up as needed. Let me know if that works. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

12-23-2005, 11:10 PM	#20
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	Wayne vote Mithalwen Spawn or Eomer Lhuna Farael Spawn or Eomer vote Kath Boromir Spawn or Eomer Oddwen A revision was needed to account for Farael's cross post. Wayne has 2 votes. We need to get started on the next candidate. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

12-23-2005, 11:26 PM	#21
Gurthang Sword of Spirit Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Oh, I'm around. Posts: 1,401	Sounds good morm, especially saving a few votes as a safety. I'll make sure I'm here till the end of the Night. Unfortunately, with Farael voting for Wayne, it puts a lot of unknown's voting in one group. So unless we can get most of them to vote very soon, we might be getting too close to the end of the Night to pull it off. I'd strongly advise everyone on morm's lists to vote as he has said, and do it as soon as possible. If you still don't like the double kill idea, well, say so, but I think we're doing it anyway. I think most of the wolves has voiced their willingness to follow that course of action. I think that Kath has voiced her dislike for the plan, but I think she'll go along with the pack; I know Boromir is. We haven't heard Spawn or Eomer's comments on doing a double. Oddwen posted but said nothing for or against. Lhuna hasn't been here yet toNight, and I'm not really expecting her. Wayne has voted, so we don't have to worry about him. Morm, I think we need to specify between Spawn and Eomer. I'd prefer Eomer, but I'm not the best in picking out who's guilty. In other words, just pick whoever. __________________ I'm on a Mission from God.

12-23-2005, 11:59 PM	#22
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	Okay I agree I just hope we are correct in this. I will say Spawn unless Formendacil disagrees. Mainly because Eomer wanted to know why he looked innocent which I don't see why a guilty would ask that. He could either be killed tomorrow or dreamt of tonight depending upon Formendacil SO EVERYBODY THE VOTE NOW IS FOR SPAWN!!! __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

12-24-2005, 12:13 AM	#23
Gurthang Sword of Spirit Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Oh, I'm around. Posts: 1,401	So shall it be. I'm going to go take a nap now. I'll be back again before the Night is over. When I do get back, I expect to see that everyone who needs to has voted for their appointed person. (900th post! ) __________________ I'm on a Mission from God.

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