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Old 11-13-2005, 02:59 PM   #1
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As for why I think Glirdan could be a wolf... it's basically because I haven't seen anything to make him seem innocent to me.
What about his consistent suspicion of Lalaith? Werewolves are rarely that consistent, needing to "go with the flow" of debate, unless they don't have to, of course.....

Go ahead, Spawn, I'll shut up now.
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Old 11-14-2005, 03:00 PM   #2
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Day 5

"Let me show you the world in my eyes"



As expected, Wilwarin538 didn't show up to the square that morning. Although the villagers understood that the remaining wolf had probably been rather thorough with her, they went to call on her cabin.

Wilwarin lived in a pretty little house that had white window ledges, lace curtains and a veranda made of gingerbread. Daisies and Lilies flourished in her garden and the whole setting looked very dreamy as it bathed in the morning light. The villagers knocked on her door without getting any answer. After a little pursuit they found a key under a flower pot and opened the door.

Nothing inside the house suggested that something was wrong. Everything was nice and clean there and a dozy silence hung in the air. The group wandered around the house, but they saw no sign of Wilwarin. "Where is the poor dear", they whispered as they climbed upstairs to her bedroom. It was empty as well, but on her night table they saw her dream journal. She had been the Seer after all.

A terrible croaking and screeching outside the house broke the calm dawn and interrupted the villagers' search. They rushed downstairs, through the house and out of the door to Wilwarin's backyard. Her beautiful flower beds and vegetable patches were swarming with crows and ravens. Completely oblivious to a scarecrow in a corner of the yard, the birds squabbled over food with their feathers flying. Suddenly to the horror of the villagers, they realized that it was no scarecrow that guarded the garden so poorly, but it was their daydreamer who was impaled with a hay pole and she stared at the villagers with empty eye sockets and an agonized grimace on her fair face. Down at her feet, two crows fought for her eyes until the other one flew away with his catch.



Living:
Anguirel - jester
Eonwe - militiaman
Firefoot - traveller who has a dog
Glirdan - undead with Michael Jackson's nose
Lalaith - goosegirl
littlemanpoet - village undertaker
tar-ancalime - charlatan

Dead:
dancing spawn of ungoliant(mod) - mangled, tangled and strangled in fishing nets on Night 1
Bergil(ord) - hanged to death with profitable consequences on Day 1
Kuruharan(ord) - half devoured and prepared to be turned into haggis on Night 2
Meneltarmacil(ord) - sat on, roasted, minced and boiled by three passing by trolls on Day 2
Kath(ord) - chopped up and organized alphabetically on Night 3
WaynetheGoblin(wolf) - burned to death on Day 3
Celuien(ranger) - mauled with musical instruments on Night 4
Kitanna(wolf) - stoned, battered and decapitated on Day 4
Wilwarin538(seer) - eyes plucked out and made into a scarecrow on Night 5

Score:
Villagers: 7
Wolves: 1

It is now Day 5. Wolf, you may PM with yourself if you want to. Villagers, you have a chance to end this toDay. Have fun!
Ps. Sorry about yesterDay.
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Old 11-14-2005, 03:50 PM   #3
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Dear Wilwa, may you rest in peace. Sorry I doubted you.

Of the people left... 1. tar, 2. Glirdan and 3. Lalaith. My suspicion of Glirdan is almost purely circumstantial - in all likelihood I will not be voting for him today. As for Lalaith, I had been intending to hold her as innocent based on the supposition that all three wolves would not vote the same; however, being that Wayne was the last to vote and his vote seemed a little odd anyway, I'm not going to wholly discount her. I probably won't be voting for her either, though. That only leaves tar, whom I've been suspicious of for a while anyway. At this point, I don't see any reason why my vote would not go to her.
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Old 11-14-2005, 04:21 PM   #4
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Don't forget LMP, Firefoot.....he's not been proved innocent either....

I confess that you could have knocked me down with one of my own goose feathers when I found out Kitanna's wolf status. It's a question of back to the drawing board theory-wise, as far as I'm concerned...I'm going to bed now but I'll be back to talk in the morning.
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Old 11-14-2005, 05:20 PM   #5
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But I'm not suspicious of him. At any rate, I would be knocking him down a few notches for the same reasons as you, and I've been figuring him innocent for quite a while now. I don't see much reason to focus my suspicions there today.
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Old 11-14-2005, 07:35 PM   #6
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Sorry for not showing up sooner for the discussion. Getting Wilwa unimpaled, making fake eyes, making them fit just right, cleaning up all the blood, cleaning and clothing the corpse in Wilwa's best, digging the grave, scribbling all kinds of bad rough drafts for the epitaph, it all takes time.

Thanks again for the confidence in my innocence, Firefoot. I promise you that it will not go unrewarded (as much as in my power as a fellow innocent).

Lalaith, I don't buy your "surprised" act.

I also don't understand, Firefoot, why you're looking so hard at tar-ancalime when it was her use of Occam's Razor that singled out Kitanna as a must-be werewolf. She was at a point of initiative when she did that, which speaks against her being a werewolf. Think, why would a werewolf start a bandwagon against her much-needed cohort? No, it looks much more like a process of deduction and figuring things out for the best of the group.

I still think Glirdan is innocent, and I think we should go after the one upon whom his suspicion has most consistently rested. Though he's not a known innocent, his behavior in this village, even for a jester, has been all too consistent, in my mind, for him to be a werewolf, and thus his suspicion needs to be given a good look.

And remember, Lalaith is the one villager who has spent the most time "imagining things from the werewolves' perspective". Now, why would she do that so much? Could it be because she's the werewolf? She has a lot to answer for, and had better start defending herself convincingly, or she gets my vote.
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Old 11-14-2005, 08:15 PM   #7
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what a shocking development.

right, tar has my suspicions. i would like to think i did my fair share in catching kitanna. if you look at it in those terms (lets face it, whatever you want to call it, bluffing, confusationing, place your own word here, wayne posted that kitanna was a wolf. unforetunately, i was the only one to see it.) then tar had a very, very worthwhile reason for getting kitanna lynched. your own arguemtns back this up (though, because this is werewolf, you could of course use it or discard it...)

lets see if i can dig up anything else...
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Old 11-14-2005, 08:24 PM   #8
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Wilwa, my dear old friend, may you rest in peace. I'm afraid to say that my time here will be very limited if I last throughout. You will not be seeing a whole lot of me today. I've been mourning the loss of our dear Seer.

*In other words, I had rehersahall and I just got home about fifteen minutes ago*

I'm not entirely sure anymore of who the final Wolf could be. Seeing as Kitanna was the final Wolf, it is highly likely that tar or Lalaith is the final Wolf. I'm now pretty much completely sure of Lmp's innocence. His posts yesterDay really made me think. We really need to find the final Wolf, or else there's a possiblity that he/she might attack the person who is Cursed. I suggest really looking into tar today, yet Lalaith is not at all cleared, not at all.

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I also don't understand, Firefoot, why you're looking so hard at tar-ancalime when it was her use of Occam's Razor that singled out Kitanna as a must-be werewolf.
I know this was directed at Firefoot, but let me give me my reasoning for agreeing with her. Tar, Wayne and Kitanna have all been the really quiet ones of the village. They have all suspected each other (or, at least I think they did) and in this way, they thought they'd all be able to distance themselves. They way I see it, tar using the Occam's Razor was their way of Kitanna dropping out and at the same time, an excuse for tar to use to distance and clear herself. I really think that we should be taking a closer look at tar toDay. And you're all going to probably be very susprised at what I'm about to say, she seems more suspicious than Lalaith.
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Old 11-14-2005, 08:27 PM   #9
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Hm... maybe so.

I'll be honest, I probably have not been giving Lalaith as much consideration as I probably should have. She is the one who I had thought was the Seer; her posting style seemed strongly reminscent of it. Obviously this is not the case. Oftentimes gifted villagers do come off as seeming guilty; I suppose the opposite could well be true in this case. And maybe the wolves really did intend for all of them to vote the same way, hoping to throw us off track as I have been. I can see the sense in wanting to vote for Lalaith.

You bring up a valid point about tar having started the bandwagon for Kitanna; this was something I had not considered. I'll admit that I have been looking very little at the voting of the past few days as both have been largely one-directional.
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Why did you do that Kitanna? The field was still open, there were five of us left to vote...and I for one would only have voted for you if I had to, to save myself. You're not very high on my list of suspects.
When viewed in a "I think she might be a wolf" light, this comment definitely seems suspicious. Also, her continued insistence that no one be discounted (her "don't forget LMP" comment to me, for example), could be seen as evidence that she does not want the field to be narrowed so much because that would mean a higher chance of her getting lynched. Hm... this is looking more convincing to me all the time. I'm surprised I didn't pick up on it before. Goes back to that "once you see someone as a wolf, it's easy to keep on seeing them as a wolf..." The opposite is true as well.

Edit: cross-posting with Eonwe and Glirdan, making me start to wonder about tar again...
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Old 11-21-2005, 10:57 AM   #10
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The irony of my sig is that later that Day Lmp goes and votes for me and I get lynched. I still can't get over that. And now on to the question I've been dying to ask, why exactly did some of you vote for me that Day?
I had been on again off again in my suspicion of you. When you suddenly switched from suspecting Lalaith (most) to tar-ancalime, I got suspicious and saw that bait and switch bluff staring at me. Nevertheless, I was most suspicious of Lalaith after having done that bit of analysis of the four remaining suspects (discluding myself, of course). When she revealed as the Hunter, and no one countered her claim, you were next on my list. It should have been tar, but she fooled me; at least, that Day.
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Old 11-21-2005, 12:29 PM   #11
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You guys were about to give me a heart attack when you almost lynched Wilwa on Day 2. Otherwise it was great to read your theories and sometimes uncannily accurate reasoning. Very nicely played, my dear Shamvillers!

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You need to do neither! I think it was just great how things turned out. Once again, thank you!

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Now that would have been wonderful! At least in my opinion.
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Old 11-21-2005, 02:24 PM   #12
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You guys were about to give me a heart attack when you almost lynched Wilwa on Day 2.
Ya, it scared me very much. If you had counted Wayne's vote, I would have been gone I believe. Then the wolves would have had an even better chance of winning.
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Old 11-21-2005, 05:06 PM   #13
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I had been on again off again in my suspicion of you. When you suddenly switched from suspecting Lalaith (most) to tar-ancalime, I got suspicious and saw that bait and switch bluff staring at me. Nevertheless, I was most suspicious of Lalaith after having done that bit of analysis of the four remaining suspects (discluding myself, of course). When she revealed as the Hunter, and no one countered her claim, you were next on my list. It should have been tar, but she fooled me; at least, that Day.
I see. Yes, when I look back on it, I didn't play it as I normally did. But hey, not a whole lot you can do about that. Good game guys. Now this is what I'd call my ideal WW game.
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Old 11-22-2005, 02:24 AM   #14
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Ya, it scared me very much. If you had counted Wayne's vote, I would have been gone I believe. Then the wolves would have had an even better chance of winning.
No, I counted his vote, but Menel had five votes and you had four. Anyway, it was pretty close.
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