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littlemanpoet · 11-10-2005, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tar-ancalime

Isn't that what he had before? Or am I losing my mind?

I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

Eonwe · 11-10-2005, 09:46 PM

wow i sincerly hope taht glirdan is not gifted.

(this stands for puking)

the plan has merit, assuming i can dig up wha tyou have on glirdan. and it would vituly seal our village's fate, if glirdan came out innocent. so it is defineitly a gamble that could be worth taking. defineitely needs consideration...tomarrow.

Firefoot · 11-10-2005, 10:10 PM

All right, I can see the merit in that. The only issue would be if Glirdan were the Ranger; that could be fatal for the villagers (well, maybe not quite, but you get the gist). If he's the Seer... I don't think he is. If Wilwa is not, I think I might know who is, and it's not Glirdan. If he's the hunter, more power to him... he should probably take out Eonwe or tar.

As a just in case, though, one (or two) of the people on that list should be around at the end of voting in case Glirdan does show up saying he's gifted. If nothing else, it will corner the wolves into their kill for the next Night or two (depending on Wilwa's giftedness). It shouldn't be me; I can't guarantee my presence at the end of voting.

Lalaith · 11-11-2005, 01:36 AM

Hmm...I'm not sure.
If Wilwa is lying and Wayne is innocent, and then Glirdan is innocent too, we really are shafted. I'm inclined just to lynch Wayne.
Wilwa, you're welcome to dream of me tonight if you like, it would be a bit boring (for me) as I'd much rather know the identity of LMP or Anguirel, but if I'm seen as the most interesting one then I suppose I should be flattered....

One thing I would say however is that when and if Wilwa reveals to us who she has dreamt of, she should NOT say who, if any, of her dream subjects are gifted, just that they are innocent.

I think I'm going mad with paranoia...I suddenly thought, what if Wilwa, LMP and Firefoot were wolves? Firefoot attacks wilwa's revelation, then is calmed by wilwa's assurance that she (Firefoot) is an ordinary villager. Then LMP comes out with his plan for a second lynching (of an innocent). Firefoot agrees...

Now, I'm not saying this is what I really think. But it could be true, and so could a lot of other crazy things. So I think we should play it safe and just lynch Wayne today.

Lalaith · 11-11-2005, 01:48 AM

I hope Ang's computer isn't still down. I'd really like to hear from him quite soon.

tar-ancalime · 11-11-2005, 02:12 AM

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I think I'm going mad with paranoia...I suddenly thought, what if Wilwa, LMP and Firefoot were wolves? Firefoot attacks wilwa's revelation, then is calmed by wilwa's assurance that she (Firefoot) is an ordinary villager. Then LMP comes out with his plan for a second lynching (of an innocent). Firefoot agrees...

Now, I'm not saying this is what I really think. But it could be true, and so could a lot of other crazy things. So I think we should play it safe and just lynch Wayne today.

That's why we have to take Wilwa at her word. Worst-case scenario? We lynch one innocent (in which case, sorry Wayne). The truth is then out. But if we start to get embroiled in more convoluted schemes, we could end up with a real bloodbath on our hands!

As an illustration of what COULD happen: suppose you're right. Wilwa, Firefoot, and lmp are the wolves but they talk us into their plan for one day. We double lynch Wayne and Glirdan. Glirdan really is the Hunter (as Firefoot hypothesized). Despite being one of the victims of the plot, Glirdan too is taken in by Firefoot and chooses me or Eonwe to take down with him. That's three innocents taken down in one DAY, one more kill that NIGHT, and three very happy wolves come morning. I say play it safe, lynch Wayne, and minimize our losses JUST IN CASE.

tar-ancalime · 11-11-2005, 02:33 AM

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I hope Ang's computer isn't still down. I'd really like to hear from him quite soon.

Thanks for posting this. I'd been wondering where he was.

littlemanpoet · 11-11-2005, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Lalaith

I think I'm going mad with paranoia...I suddenly thought, what if Wilwa, LMP and Firefoot were wolves? Firefoot attacks wilwa's revelation, then is calmed by wilwa's assurance that she (Firefoot) is an ordinary villager. Then LMP comes out with his plan for a second lynching (of an innocent). Firefoot agrees...

Hee hee! I had the same paranoid thought going, minus the part you outline for me. Which is why I stick to my Occam's Razor guideline: go with the simplest explanation that accounts for all the variables. My hypothesis is that.

I'm not convinced that a double-lynching of Wayne and Glirdan is the best idea. It might be wise to promise ourselves that Glirdan is the wolf to be lynched toMorrow unless something makes it clear that he's not a werewolf. We have the time and the numbers to take a chance at one more Day.

Firefoot, I appreciate your provisional confidence in my plan, but I'm quite willing to leave Glirdan alive one more Night, as two werewolves (at this somewhat early stage in the game) is not really any worse than one, since they can't split their kills.

littlemanpoet · 11-11-2005, 10:45 AM

Way too many corpses and grave digging toDay, so I must vote. And I'll settle the double lynching thing here and now because having suggested it, I don't think it's the wisest course of action.

++ WaynetheGoblin

If you really want another known innocent, go ahead and dream of me.

We know that Firefoot and Anguirel are innocent, based on Wilwa being a seer (if she is). That's three known innocents, which gets proven tonight. Either Firefoot or Anguirel die tonight, it's pretty obvious (not saying this as a threat but sheer deductive reasoning - just to make that clear).

So the Ranger needs to guard Wilwa. I suggest that the Hunter pick either Glirdan or Eonwe, and that Wilwa dream of one of these two. I'm pretty convinced of tar-ancalime's innocence. If this is all proven wrong, it's back to the drawing board and we are in really, really big trouble.

Eonwe · 11-11-2005, 11:36 AM

i must be leaving for school, and most likely won't have a chance to get back on before 4pm (my time). so i must vote now. becuas thtere is no point in voting for glirdan anymore, i will go for wayne as well.

++wayne

11-10-2005, 09:46 PM	#2
Eonwe Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: In a world grown ever smaller. Posts: 678	wow i sincerly hope taht glirdan is not gifted. (this stands for puking) the plan has merit, assuming i can dig up wha tyou have on glirdan. and it would vituly seal our village's fate, if glirdan came out innocent. so it is defineitly a gamble that could be worth taking. defineitely needs consideration...tomarrow. __________________ I've got bridge club on Wednesday, Archery on Thursday, Dancing on a Friday night!

11-11-2005, 01:36 AM	#4
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Hmm...I'm not sure. If Wilwa is lying and Wayne is innocent, and then Glirdan is innocent too, we really are shafted. I'm inclined just to lynch Wayne. Wilwa, you're welcome to dream of me tonight if you like, it would be a bit boring (for me) as I'd much rather know the identity of LMP or Anguirel, but if I'm seen as the most interesting one then I suppose I should be flattered.... One thing I would say however is that when and if Wilwa reveals to us who she has dreamt of, she should NOT say who, if any, of her dream subjects are gifted, just that they are innocent. I think I'm going mad with paranoia...I suddenly thought, what if Wilwa, LMP and Firefoot were wolves? Firefoot attacks wilwa's revelation, then is calmed by wilwa's assurance that she (Firefoot) is an ordinary villager. Then LMP comes out with his plan for a second lynching (of an innocent). Firefoot agrees... Now, I'm not saying this is what I really think. But it could be true, and so could a lot of other crazy things. So I think we should play it safe and just lynch Wayne today. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

11-11-2005, 01:48 AM	#5
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	I hope Ang's computer isn't still down. I'd really like to hear from him quite soon. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

11-11-2005, 11:36 AM	#10
Eonwe Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: In a world grown ever smaller. Posts: 678	i must be leaving for school, and most likely won't have a chance to get back on before 4pm (my time). so i must vote now. becuas thtere is no point in voting for glirdan anymore, i will go for wayne as well. ++wayne __________________ I've got bridge club on Wednesday, Archery on Thursday, Dancing on a Friday night!

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11-10-2005, 10:10 PM	#3
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	All right, I can see the merit in that. The only issue would be if Glirdan were the Ranger; that could be fatal for the villagers (well, maybe not quite, but you get the gist). If he's the Seer... I don't think he is. If Wilwa is not, I think I might know who is, and it's not Glirdan. If he's the hunter, more power to him... he should probably take out Eonwe or tar. As a just in case, though, one (or two) of the people on that list should be around at the end of voting in case Glirdan does show up saying he's gifted. If nothing else, it will corner the wolves into their kill for the next Night or two (depending on Wilwa's giftedness). It shouldn't be me; I can't guarantee my presence at the end of voting.

11-11-2005, 10:45 AM	#9
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Way too many corpses and grave digging toDay, so I must vote. And I'll settle the double lynching thing here and now because having suggested it, I don't think it's the wisest course of action. ++ WaynetheGoblin If you really want another known innocent, go ahead and dream of me. We know that Firefoot and Anguirel are innocent, based on Wilwa being a seer (if she is). That's three known innocents, which gets proven tonight. Either Firefoot or Anguirel die tonight, it's pretty obvious (not saying this as a threat but sheer deductive reasoning - just to make that clear). So the Ranger needs to guard Wilwa. I suggest that the Hunter pick either Glirdan or Eonwe, and that Wilwa dream of one of these two. I'm pretty convinced of tar-ancalime's innocence. If this is all proven wrong, it's back to the drawing board and we are in really, really big trouble.