The Silmarillion Survivor

[Anguirel]

That was indeed my point. And I do try my best to be vaguely impartial. In this case, I don't see Galadriel sitting demurely at home after something happens to her husband...even if I like him.

Another option-vote off Morwen, emancipate Nienor and throw her into the mix. Incidentally, I see I've been mispelling her as Nienna...must go back and correct...

[Gothmog]

Ah, you read my mind Ang! But would Turin fall in love with Nienor? Remember this is before Glaurung put his spell on Turin. He might realize who she is.

In the light of my previous post and a mod who might have the same thoughts, I vote

++Celeborn

Not only will it (maybe) push a mourning and lonely Galadriel in the arms of Turin (go visit her brother is logic after such a loss), but we'll also get rid of that stuck-up pretending-to-be-king-while-the-queen-rules Celeborn. Let's just hope Celebrian is already born.

[Anguirel]

Point of information: it's really Olwe who's pretending to be King while the Queen rules...

However, our thoughts are essentially the same. Sorry, Celeborn...

++CELEBORN

[Eonwe]

Originally Posted by Gothmog

we'll also get rid of that stuck-up pretending-to-be-king-while-the-queen-rules Celeborn.

which is persisely why you shouldn't vote Celeborn. I don't ever recall Celeborn acting "stuck up" in my past readings. Celeborn is never given the credit he deserves. I used to think he was a bit of a pansy myself, until i read a bit on him (which insedentally i forget). but i still cling to the fact that he is very awesome. shaky? yes. but all the same, celeborn must stay.

besides, i think that if celeborn went, galadriel would become sad, lonely and withdrawn. her heart would be closed to all new loves. she would lack her will to rule, and would possibly be allowed to return to valinor (what good is a lackluster leader), which having lost all love of life, she would doubtlessly accept. besides, there would be drastic implications for the fellowship, and aragorn/gondor/the fourth age (or whatever is the age of men). no celebrindal, no arwen. no arwen, rejoining of the branches of the half-eleven. no celeborn, no driven, willful galadriel ruling lorien. no lorien, no succor for the fellowship. and we all no what that means. domination of evil.

orodreth seems like a good pick to me. morwen also. for reasons stated in other people's posts.

[The 1,000 Reader]

++Arien.

The reasons others have said are good enough for me.

[Gothmog]

Ang:

Point of information: it's really Olwe who's pretending to be King while the Queen rules...

Correct...I thought of the Lotr-Celeborn. I shouldn't.

And Eonwe: to start with, how do you know there wouldn't be a Arwen? Celebrian might already be born and she needs a strong father-figure when Celeborn is gone. That will force Galadriel to go looking for a suitable man. And even if she's not looking for it, the visit in Nargothrond will make her meet Turin. Either he falls in love with her or she falls in love with him, it's written in the stars

Second: what do we care about the age of men, Aragorn, the fellowship or anything else far in the future? This is Silmarillion Survivor and we're not supposed to take the future in account. Look to the task and you'll see this is the best solution. The outcome is unpredictable, but just by throwing in an other female in the equation the possibility for disaster will be so much greater.

[Eonwe]

Originally Posted by the guy above me

Celebrian might already be born and she needs a strong father-figure when Celeborn is gone.

bolding mine...

well, ok, point taken about the age of men. however...

The outcome is unpredictable, but just by throwing in an other female in the equation the possibility for disaster will be so much greater.

i still think galadriel will become disinterested with life without celeborn. not even turin will revive her heart and passion for life. not to mention that there are other places she could look to for solace, such as melian (right were she is), or teh wilderness, where all hearts find peace.

and getting rid of celeborn would produce one possible addetive. getting rid of orodreth would produce many, many suitors for findulias' hand.

oo, oo, i just though of this too! when findulias sees that galadriel and turin have something going, she will turn back to Gwindor (both turin and findulias didn't really want to fall in love with eachother), thereby rendering the situation: defused.

hopefully these reasons will give teh celeborn bandwagon a few flat tires. if not ill try again...

[Gothmog]

Eonwe:

oo, oo, i just though of this too! when findulias sees that galadriel and turin have something going, she will turn back to Gwindor (both turin and findulias didn't really want to fall in love with eachother), thereby rendering the situation: defused.

Turin did never fall in love with Finduilas, did he?

Finduilas:

Túrin son of Húrin loves me not;nor will

Besides, I doubt she could have turned back to Gwindor as you say. She can't help falling in love with Turin and she can't undo those feelings. She wants to love Gwindor, like before his imprisonment, but felt drawn to Turin.

Getting more suitors for Finduilas will increase the chaos, but it's not a lack of Finduilas-admirers we suffer from. Gwindor loves Finduilas, Finduilas loves Turin and Turin loves nobody at this time. That's the empy space which needs to be filled, someone for Turin to love or someone to love Gwindor. Or even better: both. To maximize the anguish for loving and loved, that's the best solution. But if it failes, Galadriel can still fall in love with Turin. And let's face it, one famous elven queen or hundreds of nameless, faceless elf's loving Finduilas, what's most interesting?