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Lalaith · 10-26-2005, 10:17 AM

Hmmm....Mablung or Melian seem the obvious choices here.....actually what about evicting Finduilas? I know that means Turin gets to avoid some grief once he leaves Doriath, but as the challenge is to make his time actually *in* Doriath more difficult, presumably he'll be a bit more miserable without his fan-girl.

Tuor of Gondolin · 10-26-2005, 11:02 AM

How about Beleg Strongbow?

Or even Morwen.

Remove her and he would get really antsy
about leaving Doriath to save his sister.

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-26-2005, 11:28 AM

Doh! We shouldn't have voted off Saeros!

Although, I am glad that we did, because I can't stand him.

The principal candidates seem to have been identified.

Melian: A moderating influence on Thingol. However, my impression is that he would still have looked favourably on Turin, given the opportunity, even without her counsel.

Mablung and Beleg: Not the only Elves who were friendly to Turin in Doriath. Probably made his life there easier, but were more instrumental in providing him with help and friendship after he had left Doriath.

Finduilas: Not sure how here removal will make his life more difficult while he is still in Doriath.

Morwen and Nienna: Well we surely can't lose Nienna now, but I can see how the removal of Turin's mother would heighten his concern for his sister, and therefore his angst levels, while in Doriath.

Morwen seems like a good candidate to me, although I expect Lalaith to oppose her removal.

As an alternative, I'd be happy to vote for whichever candidate would, by his or her removal, annoy Anguirel the most.

Problem is, it's difficult to work up an argument for any of his favourites ...

Unless, the eviction of someone like Curufin might be seen as removing a buffer against Morgoth's forces, thereby threatening the security of Doriath and making it less of a "safe haven" for Turin. Any thoughts on that from anyone?

PS I am still mourning the loss of Huan. If only I had been around to stick up for him. How could you all vote off such a loyal, faithful and intelligent hound.

Lalaith · 10-26-2005, 11:47 AM

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Not sure how here removal will make his life more difficult while he is still in Doriath

Sorry, I forgot that Finduilas was at Nargothrond, not Doriath. Still a drippy girl, though. But I concur that evicting her won't really help us with the task.

I see your reasoning Saucie but I would really, really prefer it if Morwen weren't thrown off. She's one of my favorite people...

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-26-2005, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Lalaith

I see your reasoning Saucie but I would really, really prefer it if Morwen weren't thrown off. She's one of my favorite people...

Fair enough. I have nothing against her. She just seems the most suitable candidate, given the task.

What do you think about my fledgling reasoning on Curufin, then? Might that be a runner?

Rune Son of Bjarne · 10-26-2005, 12:14 PM

My first thought was that Beleg would be the best target as he is proberbly the one closest too Turin, but removing him would spare Turin frome great sorrow later on.

I guess Saucepan Man is right about Morwen beeing sutabel.

I would prefer to remove Morwen over Curufin any day, to tell you the truth: I am rathe annoyed with her.

Lalaith · 10-26-2005, 12:18 PM

I still think Mablung would be a good choice. Or what about Brodda? If he doesn't marry Aerin, she can't succour Morwen and Nienor in secret, and that will worry Turin greatly.
I need my Unfinished Tales I think for more Narn detail...or is that not allowed?

10-26-2005, 10:17 AM	#1
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Hmmm....Mablung or Melian seem the obvious choices here.....actually what about evicting Finduilas? I know that means Turin gets to avoid some grief once he leaves Doriath, but as the challenge is to make his time actually in Doriath more difficult, presumably he'll be a bit more miserable without his fan-girl. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

10-26-2005, 11:02 AM	#2
Tuor of Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles) Posts: 1,548	How about Beleg Strongbow? Or even Morwen. Remove her and he would get really antsy about leaving Doriath to save his sister. __________________ Aure Entuluva!

10-26-2005, 11:28 AM	#3
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Well, I'm back! Doh! We shouldn't have voted off Saeros! Although, I am glad that we did, because I can't stand him. The principal candidates seem to have been identified. Melian: A moderating influence on Thingol. However, my impression is that he would still have looked favourably on Turin, given the opportunity, even without her counsel. Mablung and Beleg: Not the only Elves who were friendly to Turin in Doriath. Probably made his life there easier, but were more instrumental in providing him with help and friendship after he had left Doriath. Finduilas: Not sure how here removal will make his life more difficult while he is still in Doriath. Morwen and Nienna: Well we surely can't lose Nienna now, but I can see how the removal of Turin's mother would heighten his concern for his sister, and therefore his angst levels, while in Doriath. Morwen seems like a good candidate to me, although I expect Lalaith to oppose her removal. As an alternative, I'd be happy to vote for whichever candidate would, by his or her removal, annoy Anguirel the most. Problem is, it's difficult to work up an argument for any of his favourites ... Unless, the eviction of someone like Curufin might be seen as removing a buffer against Morgoth's forces, thereby threatening the security of Doriath and making it less of a "safe haven" for Turin. Any thoughts on that from anyone? PS I am still mourning the loss of Huan. If only I had been around to stick up for him. How could you all vote off such a loyal, faithful and intelligent hound. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

10-26-2005, 12:18 PM	#7
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	I still think Mablung would be a good choice. Or what about Brodda? If he doesn't marry Aerin, she can't succour Morwen and Nienor in secret, and that will worry Turin greatly. I need my Unfinished Tales I think for more Narn detail...or is that not allowed? __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

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