The Silmarillion Survivor - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Gothmog · 10-17-2005, 01:13 PM

Lalaith, I see what you mean too, but as SpM said; now is not the time. Hurin Thalion is indeed one of the most noble and one I've always favoured. But we must look at todays task, and we don't benefit from voting for Turgon now. He'll get his punishment in the end. If we don't look to it, I'm sure the newly renamed Ang-Morgoth will.

And to you SpM: Hail thee who walks the narrow road with me! Hail thee fellow crusader! One of my goals with this game is to eliminate Ang's little favourit pet-elf Curufin, but the road there is both long and hard, filled with the dangers of a revengeful moderator...

The 1,000 Reader · 10-17-2005, 02:03 PM

My vote stands alone.

Listen, wise people, if you can't decide who to send off, why not send off someone who won't be important either way? Sauron barely did anything under Morgoth's rule, he sent his army one by one to their death and then he was easily defeated by a dog. Huan was not a Maia, Huan may have been great, but he was far from a Maia.

It's a win-win situation. If Sauron goes, one less villain. If Sauron goes, Morgoth will fill Sauron's position with one of his Balrogs. Durin's Bane, anyone?

Send off Sauron, spirits of the Barrow-Downs.

Anguirel · 10-17-2005, 02:12 PM

Saucie, you can ruin all my hopes and dreams, but don't touch the rock band. Sorrowful Harpers will go straight to the top of the charts...

Now is the time, you see, after all, to be rid of Turgon. With the armies of Gondolin released early, Idril, Glorfindel, Ecthelion and possibly Maeglin will lead them into the Bragollach. Such a force may be able to turn the tide of battle and maintain the Siege of Angband, or at least bring about a draw and save the lands of Men. Besides, with so many Balrog-slayers deployed, Gothmog himself may be struck down, avenging Feanor...

Let the vacillitating, authoritarian selfish lump of tapioca that is Turgon return to his beloved Ulmo, and perhaps the Elves under his undeserving rule will show their mettle. Gondolin will also serve as a refuge for human women and children. If an Elven army could get back there after the Nirnaeth undetected, why should the watchful Elves not be able to guide refugees out of danger?

Should the Outlaws of Dorthonion be forced to fight their lonely resistance, the aid of Gondolin will be incomparable help. And the only thing in the way is Turgon. Turgon the Cautious. Turgon the Stubborn. Turgon the Obtuse.

Turgon the Traitor.

Alcarillo · 10-17-2005, 04:25 PM

++Turgon

Hopefully Maeglin or Idril (whichever is heir) will have friendlier policies towards foreigners and actually help win a battle or two, instead of waiting for hundreds of years until the last minute and losing the battle anyways.

And, Lalaith, what you quoted me as saying earlier was actually spoken by Arcticstorm. I do believe that Idril will have an affair with Tuor.

Celuien · 10-17-2005, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anguirel

Now is the time, you see, after all, to be rid of Turgon. With the armies of Gondolin released early, Idril, Glorfindel, Ecthelion and possibly Maeglin will lead them into the Bragollach. Such a force may be able to turn the tide of battle and maintain the Siege of Angband, or at least bring about a draw and save the lands of Men. Besides, with so many Balrog-slayers deployed, Gothmog himself may be struck down, avenging Feanor...

Let the vacillitating, authoritarian selfish lump of tapioca that is Turgon return to his beloved Ulmo, and perhaps the Elves under his undeserving rule will show their mettle. Gondolin will also serve as a refuge for human women and children. If an Elven army could get back there after the Nirnaeth undetected, why should the watchful Elves not be able to guide refugees out of danger?

Should the Outlaws of Dorthonion be forced to fight their lonely resistance, the aid of Gondolin will be incomparable help. And the only thing in the way is Turgon. Turgon the Cautious. Turgon the Stubborn. Turgon the Obtuse.

Turgon the Traitor.

Fascinating argument. I want to see how this works.

++TURGON

But, fair warning, I'm going for Morgoth or Mandos as soon as I can.

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-17-2005, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celuin

I want to see how this works.

Er - probably exactly the way that Anguirel stated it ...

Pardon me for trying to inject a spark of controversy into this thread but doesn't this all become rather, um, predictable if we vote exactly the way that the AngMod wants us to every day ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celuin

But, fair warning, I'm going for Morgoth or Mandos as soon as I can.

You may not get another crack at Morgoth - at least for a while.

Celuien · 10-17-2005, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

Er - probably exactly the way that Anguirel stated it ...

Pardon me for trying to inject a spark of controversy into this thread but doesn't this all become rather, um, predictable if we vote exactly the way that the AngMod wants us to every day ...

You may not get another crack at Morgoth - at least for a while.

I'm thinking downstream, with the Idril as ruler of Gondolin and Maeglin vs Tuor.

I'm willing to wait on Morgoth. Really, I'd like to get rid of the Doom of Mandos first and see if we can't get the Eldar and Edain to unite and defeat him on their own since it appears that uncanonical events are permitted.

Anguirel · 10-18-2005, 12:06 AM

Votes

Sauron-1
Morgoth-3
Turgon-5

Turgon, thou hast fallen! Voting closed. Results up soon.

Gothmog · 10-18-2005, 12:32 AM

You know, I haven't been on winning side one single time so far. Maybe I'll vote with Ang next time? On second thought NO, I'll make this the task of my life, DOWN WITH THE MOD!

Anguirel · 10-18-2005, 01:01 AM

RESULTS OF DAY THREE (M-e)

One afternoon, Turgon happened to be strolling on the ramparts of Gondolin with Glorfindel and Ecthelion.

They described his fall in awed tones. "He just...sort of slipped...it was dreadful..."

Both happened to be anti-isolationism.

Later on, two riders were admitted-the lost Lady Aredhel, and an unknown, tall, handsome Sinda, whose face was her very image...and yet not...

They were followed by another mounted Sinda-Eol, the Dark Elf. He demanded the return of his wife and son. The new Queen Idril claimed them as her King, and him also. He insisted on returning with them. A compromise was reached by Idril's wisdom. Eol returned to Nan Elmoth, Aredhel remained at Gondolin; and Maeglin went between them, spending half a year at each; and while at Gondolin, proved a shrewd adviser...

~~~

RESULTS OF THE CHALLENGE

Now Morgoth's army presented itself, the largest that had yet been gathered. Sauron commanded the left wing, Gothmog the right; Eonwe and Curunir held the centre. Its vast power's greatest element was the fire of Glaurung; and as no Dwarves had come to the battle, it was nigh on impossible to resist.

In that fell hour were slain Aegnor and Amras, last of the expendable princes of the Noldor, to the Dragon's might; and it seemed that the host of the Noldor must break. Finrod was caught in a circle of foes, though rescued by Barahir's folk at great cost.

But a few warriors of Gondolin-three, in fact-had crept unnoticed to join the battle in the train of Fingon. Idril, Ecthelion, and Maeglin they were. And they caused some bitterness in Morgoth's triumph.

For Idril struck down Curunir the Subtle, and his spirit was dispersed. And Ecthelion in the midst of combat sought out Gothmog, with his Troll-guard occupied with the sons of Feanor, avenging their brother, and Ecthelion pierced the foul captain's heart, though he himself was immolated in its ruin. As for Maeglin, he drew his sword of star-metal Anguirel and set upon Glaurung.

Long was their struggle, inconclusive its end. Maeglin was sore wounded by fire, and was carried out of the fray by Idril; but the dragon Glaurung, afraid and hurt, retreated from the battle.

But still the numbers of Morgoth prevailed; and the Elves retreated, their lands, and those of Dorthonion, in ruins. Fingolfin defied Morgoth, and fought with him to the last; but he was conquered, and with no Eagles about his body was despoiled. Finarfin was shot down as he fled...

Dor-Lomin and Brethil had been saved, but of Dorthonion only outlaws remained, the houseless women and children being spirited into Gondolin or sent to Dor-Lomin or Brethil.

The contestants:

Tribes

VALAR

Elbereth
Ulmo
Mandos, Doom of

NOLDOR

Maedhros
Maglor
Celegorm
Celebrimbor
Caranthir
Curufin
Fingon
Idril
Aredhel
Maeglin
Finrod
Orodreth

TELERI/SINDAR

Olwe
Thingol
Celeborn
Galadriel
Mablung
Beleg
Daeron
Eol

MAIA/ELF

Luthien

MAIA

Melian
Uinen
Huan
Tilion (with Moon)
Arien (with Sun)

DWARVES

Azaghal of Belegost
Telchar of Nogrod
Mim the Petty-dwarf
Khim
Ibun

MEN

Barahir
Beren
Hador
Galdor
Halmir
Haldir

FORCES OF EVIL

Morgoth
Sauron
Eonwe
Draugluin
Glaurung

It's Day Four in Middle-earth. The fourth task is: MESALLIANCE. Without ejecting Beren or Luthien, make their marriage as difficult as possible to achieve.

EDIT: Decided not to kill Eonwe. Seemed like overdoing it...

10-17-2005, 01:13 PM	#1
Gothmog Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Where I lay my head is home Posts: 421	Lalaith, I see what you mean too, but as SpM said; now is not the time. Hurin Thalion is indeed one of the most noble and one I've always favoured. But we must look at todays task, and we don't benefit from voting for Turgon now. He'll get his punishment in the end. If we don't look to it, I'm sure the newly renamed Ang-Morgoth will. And to you SpM: Hail thee who walks the narrow road with me! Hail thee fellow crusader! One of my goals with this game is to eliminate Ang's little favourit pet-elf Curufin, but the road there is both long and hard, filled with the dangers of a revengeful moderator... __________________ Three switched witches watch three Swatch watch switches. Which switched witch watch which Swatch watch switch? He who breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom ~Lurker...

10-17-2005, 02:03 PM	#2
The 1,000 Reader Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: I don't know. Eastern ME doesn't have maps. Posts: 527	My vote stands alone. Listen, wise people, if you can't decide who to send off, why not send off someone who won't be important either way? Sauron barely did anything under Morgoth's rule, he sent his army one by one to their death and then he was easily defeated by a dog. Huan was not a Maia, Huan may have been great, but he was far from a Maia. It's a win-win situation. If Sauron goes, one less villain. If Sauron goes, Morgoth will fill Sauron's position with one of his Balrogs. Durin's Bane, anyone? Send off Sauron, spirits of the Barrow-Downs. __________________ "And forth went Morgoth, and he was halted by the elves. Then went Sauron, who was stopped by a dog and then aged men. Finally, there came the Witch-King, who destroyed Arnor, but nobody seems to remember that." -A History of Villains

10-17-2005, 02:12 PM	#3
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Saucie, you can ruin all my hopes and dreams, but don't touch the rock band. Sorrowful Harpers will go straight to the top of the charts... Now is the time, you see, after all, to be rid of Turgon. With the armies of Gondolin released early, Idril, Glorfindel, Ecthelion and possibly Maeglin will lead them into the Bragollach. Such a force may be able to turn the tide of battle and maintain the Siege of Angband, or at least bring about a draw and save the lands of Men. Besides, with so many Balrog-slayers deployed, Gothmog himself may be struck down, avenging Feanor... Let the vacillitating, authoritarian selfish lump of tapioca that is Turgon return to his beloved Ulmo, and perhaps the Elves under his undeserving rule will show their mettle. Gondolin will also serve as a refuge for human women and children. If an Elven army could get back there after the Nirnaeth undetected, why should the watchful Elves not be able to guide refugees out of danger? Should the Outlaws of Dorthonion be forced to fight their lonely resistance, the aid of Gondolin will be incomparable help. And the only thing in the way is Turgon. Turgon the Cautious. Turgon the Stubborn. Turgon the Obtuse. Turgon the Traitor. __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

10-18-2005, 12:06 AM	#8
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Votes Sauron-1 Morgoth-3 Turgon-5 Turgon, thou hast fallen! Voting closed. Results up soon. __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

10-18-2005, 12:32 AM	#9
Gothmog Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Where I lay my head is home Posts: 421	You know, I haven't been on winning side one single time so far. Maybe I'll vote with Ang next time? On second thought NO, I'll make this the task of my life, DOWN WITH THE MOD! __________________ Three switched witches watch three Swatch watch switches. Which switched witch watch which Swatch watch switch? He who breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom ~Lurker...

10-17-2005, 04:25 PM	#4
Alcarillo Shadow of the Past Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Minas Mor-go Posts: 1,007	++Turgon Hopefully Maeglin or Idril (whichever is heir) will have friendlier policies towards foreigners and actually help win a battle or two, instead of waiting for hundreds of years until the last minute and losing the battle anyways. And, Lalaith, what you quoted me as saying earlier was actually spoken by Arcticstorm. I do believe that Idril will have an affair with Tuor.

10-18-2005, 01:01 AM	#10
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	RESULTS OF DAY THREE (M-e) One afternoon, Turgon happened to be strolling on the ramparts of Gondolin with Glorfindel and Ecthelion. They described his fall in awed tones. "He just...sort of slipped...it was dreadful..." Both happened to be anti-isolationism. Later on, two riders were admitted-the lost Lady Aredhel, and an unknown, tall, handsome Sinda, whose face was her very image...and yet not... They were followed by another mounted Sinda-Eol, the Dark Elf. He demanded the return of his wife and son. The new Queen Idril claimed them as her King, and him also. He insisted on returning with them. A compromise was reached by Idril's wisdom. Eol returned to Nan Elmoth, Aredhel remained at Gondolin; and Maeglin went between them, spending half a year at each; and while at Gondolin, proved a shrewd adviser... ~~~ RESULTS OF THE CHALLENGE Now Morgoth's army presented itself, the largest that had yet been gathered. Sauron commanded the left wing, Gothmog the right; Eonwe and Curunir held the centre. Its vast power's greatest element was the fire of Glaurung; and as no Dwarves had come to the battle, it was nigh on impossible to resist. In that fell hour were slain Aegnor and Amras, last of the expendable princes of the Noldor, to the Dragon's might; and it seemed that the host of the Noldor must break. Finrod was caught in a circle of foes, though rescued by Barahir's folk at great cost. But a few warriors of Gondolin-three, in fact-had crept unnoticed to join the battle in the train of Fingon. Idril, Ecthelion, and Maeglin they were. And they caused some bitterness in Morgoth's triumph. For Idril struck down Curunir the Subtle, and his spirit was dispersed. And Ecthelion in the midst of combat sought out Gothmog, with his Troll-guard occupied with the sons of Feanor, avenging their brother, and Ecthelion pierced the foul captain's heart, though he himself was immolated in its ruin. As for Maeglin, he drew his sword of star-metal Anguirel and set upon Glaurung. Long was their struggle, inconclusive its end. Maeglin was sore wounded by fire, and was carried out of the fray by Idril; but the dragon Glaurung, afraid and hurt, retreated from the battle. But still the numbers of Morgoth prevailed; and the Elves retreated, their lands, and those of Dorthonion, in ruins. Fingolfin defied Morgoth, and fought with him to the last; but he was conquered, and with no Eagles about his body was despoiled. Finarfin was shot down as he fled... Dor-Lomin and Brethil had been saved, but of Dorthonion only outlaws remained, the houseless women and children being spirited into Gondolin or sent to Dor-Lomin or Brethil. The contestants: Tribes VALAR Elbereth Ulmo Mandos, Doom of NOLDOR Maedhros Maglor Celegorm Celebrimbor Caranthir Curufin Fingon Idril Aredhel Maeglin Finrod Orodreth TELERI/SINDAR Olwe Thingol Celeborn Galadriel Mablung Beleg Daeron Eol MAIA/ELF Luthien MAIA Melian Uinen Huan Tilion (with Moon) Arien (with Sun) DWARVES Azaghal of Belegost Telchar of Nogrod Mim the Petty-dwarf Khim Ibun MEN Barahir Beren Hador Galdor Halmir Haldir FORCES OF EVIL Morgoth Sauron Eonwe Draugluin Glaurung It's Day Four in Middle-earth. The fourth task is: MESALLIANCE. Without ejecting Beren or Luthien, make their marriage as difficult as possible to achieve. EDIT: Decided not to kill Eonwe. Seemed like overdoing it... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso Last edited by Anguirel; 10-18-2005 at 01:09 AM.

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