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Lalaith · 10-17-2005, 12:16 PM

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Ooo! Get him, Lalaith

Excuse me? My name is Lalaith, not Lassie. Being treated like a tennis-ball is one thing, but a dog....

Don't worry Gothmog honey, you're quite safe with me.

It's just that I have a particular and long-standing grievance with Turgon. He is happy to accept an extraordinary sacrifice from probably the noblest being that ever walked Middle Earth, namely Hurin Thalion, and then turns his back on him in his hour of need. I have been waiting for a long time to exact some kind of vengeance. I'm doing this for Hurin. You know it makes sense.

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-17-2005, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Lalaith

He is happy to accept an extraordinary sacrifice from probably the noblest being that ever walked Middle Earth, namely Hurin Thalion, and then turns his back on him in his hour of need. I have been waiting for a long time to exact some kind of vengeance.

I don't disagree with you on this Lalaith. I have always considered Turgon's behaviour in this regard to be most discreditable.

But surely the time to punish him is when he has actually done the deed which you are seeking to punish him for. I will gladly join your crusade then.

I will also gladly join any crusade which runs contrary to Ang's stated (and, to the extent discernable, unstated) agenda. Like a latter-day Turin, I will fight to Master the Doom which Ang-Morgoth seeks to impose on us (notwithstanding that I am no doubt fated to be thwarted at every turn

).

Gothmog · 10-17-2005, 01:13 PM

Lalaith, I see what you mean too, but as SpM said; now is not the time. Hurin Thalion is indeed one of the most noble and one I've always favoured. But we must look at todays task, and we don't benefit from voting for Turgon now. He'll get his punishment in the end. If we don't look to it, I'm sure the newly renamed Ang-Morgoth will.

And to you SpM: Hail thee who walks the narrow road with me! Hail thee fellow crusader! One of my goals with this game is to eliminate Ang's little favourit pet-elf Curufin, but the road there is both long and hard, filled with the dangers of a revengeful moderator...

The 1,000 Reader · 10-17-2005, 02:03 PM

My vote stands alone.

Listen, wise people, if you can't decide who to send off, why not send off someone who won't be important either way? Sauron barely did anything under Morgoth's rule, he sent his army one by one to their death and then he was easily defeated by a dog. Huan was not a Maia, Huan may have been great, but he was far from a Maia.

It's a win-win situation. If Sauron goes, one less villain. If Sauron goes, Morgoth will fill Sauron's position with one of his Balrogs. Durin's Bane, anyone?

Send off Sauron, spirits of the Barrow-Downs.

Anguirel · 10-17-2005, 02:12 PM

Saucie, you can ruin all my hopes and dreams, but don't touch the rock band. Sorrowful Harpers will go straight to the top of the charts...

Now is the time, you see, after all, to be rid of Turgon. With the armies of Gondolin released early, Idril, Glorfindel, Ecthelion and possibly Maeglin will lead them into the Bragollach. Such a force may be able to turn the tide of battle and maintain the Siege of Angband, or at least bring about a draw and save the lands of Men. Besides, with so many Balrog-slayers deployed, Gothmog himself may be struck down, avenging Feanor...

Let the vacillitating, authoritarian selfish lump of tapioca that is Turgon return to his beloved Ulmo, and perhaps the Elves under his undeserving rule will show their mettle. Gondolin will also serve as a refuge for human women and children. If an Elven army could get back there after the Nirnaeth undetected, why should the watchful Elves not be able to guide refugees out of danger?

Should the Outlaws of Dorthonion be forced to fight their lonely resistance, the aid of Gondolin will be incomparable help. And the only thing in the way is Turgon. Turgon the Cautious. Turgon the Stubborn. Turgon the Obtuse.

Turgon the Traitor.

Alcarillo · 10-17-2005, 04:25 PM

++Turgon

Hopefully Maeglin or Idril (whichever is heir) will have friendlier policies towards foreigners and actually help win a battle or two, instead of waiting for hundreds of years until the last minute and losing the battle anyways.

And, Lalaith, what you quoted me as saying earlier was actually spoken by Arcticstorm. I do believe that Idril will have an affair with Tuor.

Celuien · 10-17-2005, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Anguirel

Now is the time, you see, after all, to be rid of Turgon. With the armies of Gondolin released early, Idril, Glorfindel, Ecthelion and possibly Maeglin will lead them into the Bragollach. Such a force may be able to turn the tide of battle and maintain the Siege of Angband, or at least bring about a draw and save the lands of Men. Besides, with so many Balrog-slayers deployed, Gothmog himself may be struck down, avenging Feanor...

Let the vacillitating, authoritarian selfish lump of tapioca that is Turgon return to his beloved Ulmo, and perhaps the Elves under his undeserving rule will show their mettle. Gondolin will also serve as a refuge for human women and children. If an Elven army could get back there after the Nirnaeth undetected, why should the watchful Elves not be able to guide refugees out of danger?

Should the Outlaws of Dorthonion be forced to fight their lonely resistance, the aid of Gondolin will be incomparable help. And the only thing in the way is Turgon. Turgon the Cautious. Turgon the Stubborn. Turgon the Obtuse.

Turgon the Traitor.

Fascinating argument. I want to see how this works.

++TURGON

But, fair warning, I'm going for Morgoth or Mandos as soon as I can.

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-17-2005, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Celuin

I want to see how this works.

Er - probably exactly the way that Anguirel stated it ...

Pardon me for trying to inject a spark of controversy into this thread but doesn't this all become rather, um, predictable if we vote exactly the way that the AngMod wants us to every day ...

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Originally Posted by Celuin

But, fair warning, I'm going for Morgoth or Mandos as soon as I can.

You may not get another crack at Morgoth - at least for a while.

Celuien · 10-17-2005, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

Er - probably exactly the way that Anguirel stated it ...

Pardon me for trying to inject a spark of controversy into this thread but doesn't this all become rather, um, predictable if we vote exactly the way that the AngMod wants us to every day ...

You may not get another crack at Morgoth - at least for a while.

I'm thinking downstream, with the Idril as ruler of Gondolin and Maeglin vs Tuor.

I'm willing to wait on Morgoth. Really, I'd like to get rid of the Doom of Mandos first and see if we can't get the Eldar and Edain to unite and defeat him on their own since it appears that uncanonical events are permitted.

10-17-2005, 01:13 PM	#3
Gothmog Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Where I lay my head is home Posts: 421	Lalaith, I see what you mean too, but as SpM said; now is not the time. Hurin Thalion is indeed one of the most noble and one I've always favoured. But we must look at todays task, and we don't benefit from voting for Turgon now. He'll get his punishment in the end. If we don't look to it, I'm sure the newly renamed Ang-Morgoth will. And to you SpM: Hail thee who walks the narrow road with me! Hail thee fellow crusader! One of my goals with this game is to eliminate Ang's little favourit pet-elf Curufin, but the road there is both long and hard, filled with the dangers of a revengeful moderator... __________________ Three switched witches watch three Swatch watch switches. Which switched witch watch which Swatch watch switch? He who breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom ~Lurker...

10-17-2005, 02:03 PM	#4
The 1,000 Reader Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: I don't know. Eastern ME doesn't have maps. Posts: 527	My vote stands alone. Listen, wise people, if you can't decide who to send off, why not send off someone who won't be important either way? Sauron barely did anything under Morgoth's rule, he sent his army one by one to their death and then he was easily defeated by a dog. Huan was not a Maia, Huan may have been great, but he was far from a Maia. It's a win-win situation. If Sauron goes, one less villain. If Sauron goes, Morgoth will fill Sauron's position with one of his Balrogs. Durin's Bane, anyone? Send off Sauron, spirits of the Barrow-Downs. __________________ "And forth went Morgoth, and he was halted by the elves. Then went Sauron, who was stopped by a dog and then aged men. Finally, there came the Witch-King, who destroyed Arnor, but nobody seems to remember that." -A History of Villains

10-17-2005, 02:12 PM	#5
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Saucie, you can ruin all my hopes and dreams, but don't touch the rock band. Sorrowful Harpers will go straight to the top of the charts... Now is the time, you see, after all, to be rid of Turgon. With the armies of Gondolin released early, Idril, Glorfindel, Ecthelion and possibly Maeglin will lead them into the Bragollach. Such a force may be able to turn the tide of battle and maintain the Siege of Angband, or at least bring about a draw and save the lands of Men. Besides, with so many Balrog-slayers deployed, Gothmog himself may be struck down, avenging Feanor... Let the vacillitating, authoritarian selfish lump of tapioca that is Turgon return to his beloved Ulmo, and perhaps the Elves under his undeserving rule will show their mettle. Gondolin will also serve as a refuge for human women and children. If an Elven army could get back there after the Nirnaeth undetected, why should the watchful Elves not be able to guide refugees out of danger? Should the Outlaws of Dorthonion be forced to fight their lonely resistance, the aid of Gondolin will be incomparable help. And the only thing in the way is Turgon. Turgon the Cautious. Turgon the Stubborn. Turgon the Obtuse. Turgon the Traitor. __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

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10-17-2005, 04:25 PM	#6
Alcarillo Shadow of the Past Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Minas Mor-go Posts: 1,007	++Turgon Hopefully Maeglin or Idril (whichever is heir) will have friendlier policies towards foreigners and actually help win a battle or two, instead of waiting for hundreds of years until the last minute and losing the battle anyways. And, Lalaith, what you quoted me as saying earlier was actually spoken by Arcticstorm. I do believe that Idril will have an affair with Tuor.