Howard Shore removed? Deja vu Saruman? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Mithalwen · 10-17-2005, 07:04 AM

I would have kept Christopher Lee in the theatre version and shortened a battle scene - but that is my preference.... I wouldn't be surprised if there was a "personal" thing - after all Lee was probably the most serious Tolkien fan among the cast and had met him - you can imagine potential tension.....

The music - well if it was simply not quite right for KK, I see no reason why Shore would not do the Hobbit -PJ is cleary happy with his take on Middle Earth if not giant apes...

Essex · 10-17-2005, 09:42 AM

In the book, Saruman's downfall had a direct correlation on the War of the Ring (ie sharkey in the shire, and the last blow of the War fell on Frodo's doorstep)

in the film, we had no such correlation, so the only reason for his confrontation with Gandalf at isengard was to tell them that 'they were all going to die' and that the enemy would strike somewhere else gandalf didn't know of. In the cinemtaic release we have pippin see the burning tree which leads gandalf to realise the white city will be struck next. now, the EE makes this point clearer - ie gandalf now realises what saruman was goading them with, but the cinematic version works (just) without the saruman/gandalf confrontation needed.

So I reckon it was more down to screen time than anything else. jackson no doubt had a maximum time he was set to for cinematic screenings (no matter what he says!) - a 7hour film will get half the bums on seats than a 3.5 hour film would. (yes i know, an exaggeration there but trying to make my point)

10-17-2005, 07:04 AM	#1
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	I would have kept Christopher Lee in the theatre version and shortened a battle scene - but that is my preference.... I wouldn't be surprised if there was a "personal" thing - after all Lee was probably the most serious Tolkien fan among the cast and had met him - you can imagine potential tension..... The music - well if it was simply not quite right for KK, I see no reason why Shore would not do the Hobbit -PJ is cleary happy with his take on Middle Earth if not giant apes... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

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10-17-2005, 09:42 AM	#2
Essex Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 886	In the book, Saruman's downfall had a direct correlation on the War of the Ring (ie sharkey in the shire, and the last blow of the War fell on Frodo's doorstep) in the film, we had no such correlation, so the only reason for his confrontation with Gandalf at isengard was to tell them that 'they were all going to die' and that the enemy would strike somewhere else gandalf didn't know of. In the cinemtaic release we have pippin see the burning tree which leads gandalf to realise the white city will be struck next. now, the EE makes this point clearer - ie gandalf now realises what saruman was goading them with, but the cinematic version works (just) without the saruman/gandalf confrontation needed. So I reckon it was more down to screen time than anything else. jackson no doubt had a maximum time he was set to for cinematic screenings (no matter what he says!) - a 7hour film will get half the bums on seats than a 3.5 hour film would. (yes i know, an exaggeration there but trying to make my point)