The Silmarillion Survivor

[Anguirel]

Ties result in mass evictions, yes...

Wayne, I'm not going to regard that as a valid reason. Come on, old chap, you can do better than that. It's two words long!

VOTES

Thingol-2
Saeros-2
Bereg-1

As for my own vote, relating particularly to the phantom's campaign against Aredhel, I am in agreement with Lalaith-

Originally Posted by Lalaith

And as for getting rid of Aredhel - *tsk*, phantom, where are your production values? This is about making an exciting reality tv series, not "lets give the Noldor a really easy life."

Exactly. Things have been too simple for the Noldor (admittedly thanks to radical but wise decisions) up till now. To stop the birth of Maeglin would be a barren trade of characterisation for hunky-doriness. It would also destroy any hope of redememption for my favourite character, Lomion, the Child of Twilight, the bearer of Anguirel, friend of Salgant...oh, how I wish Tolkien had written more on him...

I sympathise somehat with Thingol, and if he is voted off now Beren and Luthien will be a radically different story, either more bland or more dark, I'm not quite sure which. In any case, I propose:

++TURGON. He's performed his main service by founding Gondolin, and his highhanded behaviour to Hurin and Huor (yes, you can stay here and die, no, I'm not going to let you into my city Hurin, you can yell "Remember the Fen of Serech" as hard as you can, I ain't backin' down) will eventually come to represent the essence of failure of Man/Elf relations-incomprehension, hauteur, lack of empathy.

Maeglin (born soon) will make a fine successor to him, and will never betray a city he is King of...in the interim Idril can be another fine example of feminine government.

EDIT: Alca, fraid not. This game stops with the end of the Quenta Silmarillion and the drowning of Beleriand.

[Lord Melkor]

Ah, one last point: Remember that we must also take Dwarven relationships with the Elves into this and then Thingol's removal becomes even more necessary. No Thingul means no insulted Dwarves, no insulted Dwarves means no war between Elves and Dwarves and no war means happy relations.

[Lalaith]

An excellent proposal, my dear Anguirel. I stand in your debt: I had not expected the pleasure of an assault on Turgon so early in our little adventure.
--THINGOL

++TURGON My least favourite elf. Ever.

[arcticstorm]

Now Ang, according to you Maeglin would not betray the city he is king over, while this is true, if he becomes king over the city, he will marry Idril. thereby preventing the birth of Earendil and the intervention of the Valar. Turgon the epitome of bad man/elf relationships? Surely you jest. He will be giving his daughter in marriage to a man. I tend to agree the Saeros or Bereg are the two biggest threats to this challenge. and if we can rid ouselves of both of them so be it. But I will attempt to save both Turgon and Thingol. As they are both true lovers of mankind later on. That being my first priority, I will evict Saeros first.

++Saeros

[Gothmog]

So many wise men and women have spoken before me, so because of a lack of time I'll just vote and lean on the others arguments.

++Saeros

I've always disliked him, and to save Elwe Singollo and Turgon the Wise is of course important...

[Alcarillo]

The game would be alot more interesting if Idril sat for a time upon Gondolin's throne. Come on, don't you want to see a woman rule for once? And then when Maeglin weasels his way into marriage with her, we can be sure to see a love affair between Idril and Tuor.

--Bereg
++Turgon

[the phantom]

If we are trying to help Men, I'm not sure we should get rid of Turgon.

He had a warm relationship with Hurin and Huor, and mercifully allowed them to return to their people. Had he not done this, the all-important Turin and Tuor would never have been born. That would really throw a wrench into the world. We need Turin and Tuor.

Say what you want about Turgon, but he was friendly to the race of Man. He even allowed a man to marry his only daughter without complaining, which is much more than you can say for Thingol, who tried to get Beren killed!

There is no way you should vote off Turgon before Elwe (Thingol).

I'm willing to accept Saeros as a compromise, but if you don't vote for Saeros certainly don't give Turgon the boot before Thingol.