The Silmarillion Survivor

[Glirdan]

Both arguments from Alca and SpM are good, but I'm going to have to side with SpM on this one. At least Thingol allowed Beren to marry Luthien. And who was the one that let Turin stay in Doriath and demanded that his mother and sister go live there as well? Thingol. Saeros is a no good elf who deserved the death he got. (well, will get ) I say get rid of Saeros.

++Saeros

[Lord Melkor]

Tsssk, tsssk. You silly people seem to have forgotten one thing: If Thingol is *cough* 'removed from the game' so to speak who will succeed him? That's right, Luthien! And we all know Luthy likes to get down n dirty with Mortal Men . I'm sure removing Thingol and replacing him Luthien will dramatically improve Elven-Human relationships. Sure, Saeros is an inflated, xenophobic windbag, but he's ultimately a small fish. Remove the inept Thingol and watch the number of Human-Elven relationships soar!

[Alcarillo]

Keeping the education challenge in mind, I shall vote off Bereg.

++Bereg

He spreads dissent among men wherever he goes, telling rumors that the Gods in the West are merely elvish lies. Those who listened to him passed back over the mountains and into the East. Who knows how many possible Elf-friends were lost at that moment?

Question to Ang: Is it possible for multiple evictions? I suggest that we get rid of Bereg, Saeros, and any others who can create hatred between Men and Eldar.

Edit: And will Silmarillion Survivor include the Akallabeth?

[Anguirel]

Ties result in mass evictions, yes...

Wayne, I'm not going to regard that as a valid reason. Come on, old chap, you can do better than that. It's two words long!

VOTES

Thingol-2
Saeros-2
Bereg-1

As for my own vote, relating particularly to the phantom's campaign against Aredhel, I am in agreement with Lalaith-

Originally Posted by Lalaith

And as for getting rid of Aredhel - *tsk*, phantom, where are your production values? This is about making an exciting reality tv series, not "lets give the Noldor a really easy life."

Exactly. Things have been too simple for the Noldor (admittedly thanks to radical but wise decisions) up till now. To stop the birth of Maeglin would be a barren trade of characterisation for hunky-doriness. It would also destroy any hope of redememption for my favourite character, Lomion, the Child of Twilight, the bearer of Anguirel, friend of Salgant...oh, how I wish Tolkien had written more on him...

I sympathise somehat with Thingol, and if he is voted off now Beren and Luthien will be a radically different story, either more bland or more dark, I'm not quite sure which. In any case, I propose:

++TURGON. He's performed his main service by founding Gondolin, and his highhanded behaviour to Hurin and Huor (yes, you can stay here and die, no, I'm not going to let you into my city Hurin, you can yell "Remember the Fen of Serech" as hard as you can, I ain't backin' down) will eventually come to represent the essence of failure of Man/Elf relations-incomprehension, hauteur, lack of empathy.

Maeglin (born soon) will make a fine successor to him, and will never betray a city he is King of...in the interim Idril can be another fine example of feminine government.

EDIT: Alca, fraid not. This game stops with the end of the Quenta Silmarillion and the drowning of Beleriand.

[Lord Melkor]

Ah, one last point: Remember that we must also take Dwarven relationships with the Elves into this and then Thingol's removal becomes even more necessary. No Thingul means no insulted Dwarves, no insulted Dwarves means no war between Elves and Dwarves and no war means happy relations.

[Lalaith]

An excellent proposal, my dear Anguirel. I stand in your debt: I had not expected the pleasure of an assault on Turgon so early in our little adventure.
--THINGOL

++TURGON My least favourite elf. Ever.

[arcticstorm]

Now Ang, according to you Maeglin would not betray the city he is king over, while this is true, if he becomes king over the city, he will marry Idril. thereby preventing the birth of Earendil and the intervention of the Valar. Turgon the epitome of bad man/elf relationships? Surely you jest. He will be giving his daughter in marriage to a man. I tend to agree the Saeros or Bereg are the two biggest threats to this challenge. and if we can rid ouselves of both of them so be it. But I will attempt to save both Turgon and Thingol. As they are both true lovers of mankind later on. That being my first priority, I will evict Saeros first.

++Saeros

[Gothmog]

So many wise men and women have spoken before me, so because of a lack of time I'll just vote and lean on the others arguments.

++Saeros

I've always disliked him, and to save Elwe Singollo and Turgon the Wise is of course important...