The Silmarillion Survivor - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Formendacil · 10-15-2005, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Anguirel

The Kingship is also a vital issue. Think what the scheming uncle may do to his nephews once the throne is his! I implore Feanorians back the guile, craft and staying power of Curufin. Remember, he has an heir; Maedhros doesn't...

If by "heir" you mean "son or daughter" then you or correct. If you mean "legitimate successor", then Maedhros has no lack, and with these being Elves, there is no need for lifespan to be a concern. They are, in order* (counting only Elves or those who choose Elvenkind...):

Maglor, Celegorm, Curufin, Celebrimbor, Caranthir, Amrod, Amras, Fingolfin, Fingon, Turgon, Idril, Earendil, Elrond, Elladan/Elrohir, Aredhel, Maeglin, Finarfin, Finrod, Aegnor, Angrod, Orodreth, Gil-Galad, Finduilas, Galadriel, Celebrian.

As you can see, no lack of heirs.

*According to ONE possible geneaology

Gothmog · 10-15-2005, 07:18 PM

the Phantom:

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As long as Melkor's got the jewels, the oath is great because it will ensure that the Sons of Feanor will oppose Melkor to the death, and if the eldest of the sons is king then everyone will follow in unity.

Yes, but I'm afraid it will also ensure that the sons of Feanor oppose Melkor to the death of 99% of the other elves. But true is that if the eldest son is chosen, there'll be less complaining. So why choose Curufin? No, go for Fingolfin or Maedhros. It's your choice, I'll stick with Fingolfin.

I really do hope that, as some people seem so confident about, the sons of Feanor will get an other kind of life without the kinslaying. I don't think that will save Curufin though... I'm afraid he's lost and has to go before he makes something stupid.

(Yikes! I got into a sig! Never thought that day would come

Thanks Anguirel...I think...)

Alcarillo · 10-15-2005, 08:35 PM

I'm a ghost prince!

Anyways, I don't think we should evict either Osse or the Doom of Mandos. Why? Because they provide a lot of angst and drama. Who wants to watch an episode of Survivor without angst and drama? Certainly not me.
++Elbereth

The story has moved on to Beleriand and out of Aman. And with Manwe gone, all she does is sit up there on Taniquetil, just watching Middle-earth. She's already made the stars, so now I just don't see what she's good for anymore.

the phantom · 10-16-2005, 12:09 AM

If I'm not mistaken, the current count is-

Give the Kingship to...

Maedhros- 6
Fingolfin- 4
Curufin- 2
Fingon- 1

Get rid of...

Osse- 4
Doom of Mandos- 3
Curufin- 3
Elbereth- 1
Finarfin- 1
Fingolfin- 1

That's not too bad.

As I stated here, Maedhros is without a doubt the best choice for King of the Noldor.

As far as who to vote out, I'd really like to see the Doom of Mandos kicked out, but Osse is better than most of the other choices.

Tomorrow and the next day, be looking for an opportunity to get rid of Aredhel before Maeglin is born.

Why Aredhel and not Eol, you ask?

Because, we need Eol to stay alive long enough to make the sword Anglachel, which will be instrumental in not only killing Glaurung, but is also mentioned in some of Tolkien's writings as being the sword that will, in the Last Battle, deal Melkor his final death blow.

Now, I can't remember right off hand when Anglachel was forged, so if anyone finds evidence that it has already been made then please feel free to vote off Eol instead of Aredhel. But we need to get rid of one of them before Maeglin is born if we want to save Gondolin.

Anguirel · 10-16-2005, 12:41 AM

Voting closed.

The rightful High King of the Noldor, Maedhros, has been crowned. He at once magnanimously forgives the rebellions of his uncle, cousins and brother.

Meanwhile, the sea-Maia Osse has been successfully divorced by his wife in a high-profile case, and is dispatched to the Void!

Results up soon.

Anguirel · 10-16-2005, 01:18 AM

RESULTS OF DAY ONE (M-e)

Olwe looked yearningly back across the sea. Today it seemed strangely calm. Was a storm about to strike?

Suddenly a veritable whirlpool came into being; and its centre was the Maia Osse. Behind him were some fifty barracuda in legal wigs. Uinen could be noticed to one side, smugly putting on her make-up.

At last Osse cried out in despair, "Alright! Alright! I'll pay the damages. She can have the house, and I'll, *sniff*, go and join Manwe in the void."

The barracuda retreated and a squadron of tough police dogfish led Osse off. Uinen smiled. It was clear that she had become another emancipated woman...

~~~

RESULTS OF DAY ONE (M-e)

Maedhros, meanwhile, was duly enthroned and crowned High King of the Noldor. He summoned his uncle, two cousins and brother to appear before him. Fingolfin shuddered. What could this violent Son of Feanor be thinking of doing to him? After all, he had planned to lock up Maedhros and Curufin in a tower and then...ah...well, anyway...

Maedhros took him by surprise. The High King shook his cousins' hands warmly, bowed to his uncle, and embraced and kissed his brother.

"Thou art all forgiven, friends, and I shall bestow lands and kingships upon you..."

Later that day came a hooded messenger from Morgoth to parley for the return of a Silmaril. Maedhros consented, but persuaded by Curufin plotted an ambush. Morgoth plotted a more extreme one. The guard of Maedhros were destroyed, and he was captured! In the interim, poor Maglor had the crown foisted upon him.

Yet Fingon, moved as ever by love and respect for his cousin, rescued him with the help of Celegorm and Huan the wonder-hound (since Eagles seemed to be mysteriously absent, other talking animals had to be employed...) And the High King returned to his people.

In that hour did the Sun and Moon rise, bright and beautiful beyond words.

An emissary came from Thingol, and Finrod and Artanis answered it. There the lands allotted to the Noldor were decided, though Maedhros and the princes had taken them already, and Artanis loved Celeborn and became Galadriel, leaving her people.

Finrod found Nargothrond and Turgon Gondolin. Both were built in a day.

Finally, out of the east came there news of approaching unsightly folk; the Dwarves, and later, the Atani, Men...

It's Day Two in Middle-earth.

The contestants:

Tribes

VALAR

Elbereth
Ulmo
Mandos, Doom of

NOLDOR

Fingolfin
Finarfin
Maedhros
Maglor
Celegorm
Celebrimbor
Caranthir
Curufin
Amras
Fingon
Turgon
Idril
Aredhel
Finrod
Orodreth
Aegnor

TELERI/SINDAR

Olwe
Thingol
Celeborn
Galadriel
Mablung
Beleg
Daeron
Saeros
Eol

MAIA/ELF

Luthien

MAIA

Melian
Uinen
Huan
Tilion (with Moon)
Arien (with Sun)

DWARVES

Azaghal of Belegost
Telchar of Nogrod
Mim the Petty-dwarf
Khim
Ibun

MEN

Balan/Beor
Baran
Bereg
Marach
Amlach
Haldad
Haleth
Haldar

FORCES OF EVIL

Morgoth
Ungoliant
Sauron
Gothmog

The fourth challenge: EDUCATION. Teach the Men and Dwarves that they should be nice Elf-friends, and not ally with nasty Morgoth.

WaynetheGoblin · 10-16-2005, 07:34 AM

++gothmog destroy evil.

10-15-2005, 08:35 PM	#3
Alcarillo Shadow of the Past Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Minas Mor-go Posts: 1,007	My 501st Post! I'm a ghost prince! Anyways, I don't think we should evict either Osse or the Doom of Mandos. Why? Because they provide a lot of angst and drama. Who wants to watch an episode of Survivor without angst and drama? Certainly not me. ++Elbereth The story has moved on to Beleriand and out of Aman. And with Manwe gone, all she does is sit up there on Taniquetil, just watching Middle-earth. She's already made the stars, so now I just don't see what she's good for anymore.

10-16-2005, 12:09 AM	#4
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	If I'm not mistaken, the current count is- Give the Kingship to... Maedhros- 6 Fingolfin- 4 Curufin- 2 Fingon- 1 Get rid of... Osse- 4 Doom of Mandos- 3 Curufin- 3 Elbereth- 1 Finarfin- 1 Fingolfin- 1 That's not too bad. As I stated here, Maedhros is without a doubt the best choice for King of the Noldor. As far as who to vote out, I'd really like to see the Doom of Mandos kicked out, but Osse is better than most of the other choices. Tomorrow and the next day, be looking for an opportunity to get rid of Aredhel before Maeglin is born. Why Aredhel and not Eol, you ask? Because, we need Eol to stay alive long enough to make the sword Anglachel, which will be instrumental in not only killing Glaurung, but is also mentioned in some of Tolkien's writings as being the sword that will, in the Last Battle, deal Melkor his final death blow. Now, I can't remember right off hand when Anglachel was forged, so if anyone finds evidence that it has already been made then please feel free to vote off Eol instead of Aredhel. But we need to get rid of one of them before Maeglin is born if we want to save Gondolin. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important. Last edited by the phantom; 10-16-2005 at 12:15 AM.

10-16-2005, 12:41 AM	#5
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Voting closed. The rightful High King of the Noldor, Maedhros, has been crowned. He at once magnanimously forgives the rebellions of his uncle, cousins and brother. Meanwhile, the sea-Maia Osse has been successfully divorced by his wife in a high-profile case, and is dispatched to the Void! Results up soon. __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

10-16-2005, 01:18 AM	#6
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	RESULTS OF DAY ONE (M-e) Olwe looked yearningly back across the sea. Today it seemed strangely calm. Was a storm about to strike? Suddenly a veritable whirlpool came into being; and its centre was the Maia Osse. Behind him were some fifty barracuda in legal wigs. Uinen could be noticed to one side, smugly putting on her make-up. At last Osse cried out in despair, "Alright! Alright! I'll pay the damages. She can have the house, and I'll, sniff, go and join Manwe in the void." The barracuda retreated and a squadron of tough police dogfish led Osse off. Uinen smiled. It was clear that she had become another emancipated woman... ~~~ RESULTS OF DAY ONE (M-e) Maedhros, meanwhile, was duly enthroned and crowned High King of the Noldor. He summoned his uncle, two cousins and brother to appear before him. Fingolfin shuddered. What could this violent Son of Feanor be thinking of doing to him? After all, he had planned to lock up Maedhros and Curufin in a tower and then...ah...well, anyway... Maedhros took him by surprise. The High King shook his cousins' hands warmly, bowed to his uncle, and embraced and kissed his brother. "Thou art all forgiven, friends, and I shall bestow lands and kingships upon you..." Later that day came a hooded messenger from Morgoth to parley for the return of a Silmaril. Maedhros consented, but persuaded by Curufin plotted an ambush. Morgoth plotted a more extreme one. The guard of Maedhros were destroyed, and he was captured! In the interim, poor Maglor had the crown foisted upon him. Yet Fingon, moved as ever by love and respect for his cousin, rescued him with the help of Celegorm and Huan the wonder-hound (since Eagles seemed to be mysteriously absent, other talking animals had to be employed...) And the High King returned to his people. In that hour did the Sun and Moon rise, bright and beautiful beyond words. An emissary came from Thingol, and Finrod and Artanis answered it. There the lands allotted to the Noldor were decided, though Maedhros and the princes had taken them already, and Artanis loved Celeborn and became Galadriel, leaving her people. Finrod found Nargothrond and Turgon Gondolin. Both were built in a day. Finally, out of the east came there news of approaching unsightly folk; the Dwarves, and later, the Atani, Men... It's Day Two in Middle-earth. The contestants: Tribes VALAR Elbereth Ulmo Mandos, Doom of NOLDOR Fingolfin Finarfin Maedhros Maglor Celegorm Celebrimbor Caranthir Curufin Amras Fingon Turgon Idril Aredhel Finrod Orodreth Aegnor TELERI/SINDAR Olwe Thingol Celeborn Galadriel Mablung Beleg Daeron Saeros Eol MAIA/ELF Luthien MAIA Melian Uinen Huan Tilion (with Moon) Arien (with Sun) DWARVES Azaghal of Belegost Telchar of Nogrod Mim the Petty-dwarf Khim Ibun MEN Balan/Beor Baran Bereg Marach Amlach Haldad Haleth Haldar FORCES OF EVIL Morgoth Ungoliant Sauron Gothmog The fourth challenge: EDUCATION. Teach the Men and Dwarves that they should be nice Elf-friends, and not ally with nasty Morgoth. __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

10-16-2005, 07:34 AM	#7
WaynetheGoblin Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: far far away Posts: 275	++gothmog destroy evil. __________________ if your happy im happy if your sad im sad if you jump of a cliff i watch

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