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Boromir88 · 10-10-2005, 11:49 AM

You know what...tgwbs is right! Galadriel is evil. If it wasn't for her telling Boromir she wanted the Ring, he wouldn't have gone after Frodo. She killed me, that temptress!

++Galadriel

Celuien · 10-10-2005, 12:11 PM

Galadriel is most certainly not evil! Let's review the evidence against her...

Boromir88 states that she was responsible for his counterpart's demise. Entirely untrue. Galadriel only showed what the members of the Fellowship already had in their minds, although they might not have consciously been aware of it yet. Any insight she gave Boromir into his hidden desires saved the Quest. What if his desire for the Ring had come to the surface in Mordor? Disaster. It was only because the confrontation took place early that Frodo was able to escape with the Ring and fulfill his mission.

Yes, Galadriel has her faults. But she was able to conquer her faults through wisdom - wisdom earned through hardship and the pain of knowing that all of her works would come to nothing in the end. Yet she did not despair or yield to her temptation to take the Ring. Rather, she chose to reject the Shadow though she doomed her own realm along with it.

Have pity on Galadriel, last of the Elves on the island! The future of Middle-earth has been given to mortals. To the Elves is granted only memory of the past and a longing for the greatness that might have been had Arda not been marred by Morgoth. Even if the Hobbits/Man lose on Survivor, they have still won a victory that the Elves cannot: they will ultimately control the future of Middle-earth. Give Galadriel one triumph before she must diminish and sail into the West by allowing her to become the Survivor victor.

++PIPPIN

Anguirel · 10-10-2005, 12:21 PM

I was about to defend Galadriel.

Then I remembered that in this perverse game, if you defend someone they get evicted within a couple of days.

Sooo...

We return to the elementary question; what makes the best Reality Telly?

((This post-modern approach is so ironic. Half us probably haven't seen a single episode of Big Brother, Survivor, or that ilk...I must confess to having watched the former once. I was disgusted to see them picking on an unfortunate, ah, lass called Kitten))

First, we have Merry and Pippin. Their chirpy humour went down well at first, but really it's running thin now, especially as the tabloids have exposed Pippin's faked university CV and Merry's past as a pot-dealer. Pippin is a whining child of privilege and Merry is just so flipping responsible, while being self-effacing and lost-looking. Depressing showing. Voters' favourites to go.

Then we have Hama. Unpopular beaverish beard hides chummy, matey behaviour and dogged loyalty, but not much else. Aragorn's gone so he can't deyfy anyone, and Eomer's gone so he can't obey anyone. He's a rebel/doorkeeper without a cause.

Then Gimli. Actually makes pretty funny jokes, and is a most efficient worker, but is getting disillusioned, crabby, violent and whenever possible drunk. Still definitely worth keeping around.

And Galadriel. A gift to the screen. A gift to the viewers. Makes interaction electric. All the boys are dying to serve her. Throw her off and they'll be listless and purposeless. Keep her on...and the duels and excitement will continue.

Remember people said evicting Grishnakh would stop arguments and take down ratings? Well, Galadriel is a much more powerful version of this situation. Come on, people. Killing Orcs is one thing, straightforward military bragging, like some interminable game of rugby in the Welsh drizzle. But really captivating arguments are the ones that rend the side of good, whether it be the Elves over the Silmarils, the Free Peoples over the rings, or the Elves, Lakemen and Dwarves over Smaug's hoard. This gets even better when Romance is involved. Love triangles. Daeron-Luthien-Beren. Arwen-Aragorn-Eowyn. Aragorn-Eowyn-Faramir.

And Galadriel has had many lovers, all in vain. Feanor, Celebrimbor, Gimli.

Gimli who is still here.

Give that up, and you're really not a judge of good television.

arcticstorm · 10-10-2005, 12:35 PM

--Pippin
++Merry

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-10-2005, 12:36 PM

Depends what you want out of your television shows.

Personally, I prefer simple, harmless fun to watching some old Elvish bint well past her sell-by date trying desperately to flaunt her stuff for the cameras. She's so transparent. It's clear that she's just in the show to try and get a modelling contract. Whereas Merry and, especially Pippin, have a great future in light entertainment. All hail the next (little) Ant and Dec.

++ GALADRIEL

Celuien · 10-10-2005, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anguirel

I was about to defend Galadriel.

Then I remembered that in this perverse game, if you defend someone they get evicted within a couple of days.

That's part of the reason (in addition to my stupid 80 hour a week work schedule) that I've been keeping a low profile. But I couldn't stand back and watch the Lady being maligned so cruelly. I only hope that she'll make it to the final round. One more day after this, if I'm not mistaken?

mormegil · 10-10-2005, 12:38 PM

Yes but also good television would dictate that the victor should be a surprise. If Galadriel makes it to the final it's almost certain that she will win. How wonderful would it be if instead of Galadriel or a member of the fellowship we had Hama as our champion. I didn't think that Galadriel would get any support for eviction today but she is behind on her rent payments

--Pippin
++Galadriel

arcticstorm · 10-10-2005, 12:40 PM

--Merry++Galadriel

Lalaith · 10-10-2005, 01:00 PM

Well well well my fine fellows.

So its going to be Eowyn yesterday, Galadriel today?
What was that you said yesterday Saucie

Quote:

Schmail/Schemail. It's not so much the gender of the contestants as their characters and the tribal mix that I am concerned with.

This is a family site so I'll say it in a nice Victorian way: pull the other one, it's got bells on.

You bright, happy, brave and optimistic young girls of the Downs, I hope you're all watching this and seeing what life on this Hither Shore has in store for you....

*shakes head in sorrow, diminishes, departs to West*

Anguirel · 10-10-2005, 01:19 PM

Wait, Lalaith! Someone slip me a harp...I want to join you as Elrond...

Or should I stay behind and fight the good fight as Celeborn?

Should I stay or should I go? (Not so pop culture unaware after all, eh, eh, you may say...)

You, voters, decide. Strive on beside me and expel Pippin. He's nothing better than a Gollum from a better background...

10-10-2005, 11:49 AM	#1
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	You know what...tgwbs is right! Galadriel is evil. If it wasn't for her telling Boromir she wanted the Ring, he wouldn't have gone after Frodo. She killed me, that temptress! ++Galadriel __________________ Fenris Penguin

10-10-2005, 12:11 PM	#2
Celuien Riveting Ribbiter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Assigned to Mordor Posts: 1,767	Galadriel is most certainly not evil! Let's review the evidence against her... Boromir88 states that she was responsible for his counterpart's demise. Entirely untrue. Galadriel only showed what the members of the Fellowship already had in their minds, although they might not have consciously been aware of it yet. Any insight she gave Boromir into his hidden desires saved the Quest. What if his desire for the Ring had come to the surface in Mordor? Disaster. It was only because the confrontation took place early that Frodo was able to escape with the Ring and fulfill his mission. Yes, Galadriel has her faults. But she was able to conquer her faults through wisdom - wisdom earned through hardship and the pain of knowing that all of her works would come to nothing in the end. Yet she did not despair or yield to her temptation to take the Ring. Rather, she chose to reject the Shadow though she doomed her own realm along with it. Have pity on Galadriel, last of the Elves on the island! The future of Middle-earth has been given to mortals. To the Elves is granted only memory of the past and a longing for the greatness that might have been had Arda not been marred by Morgoth. Even if the Hobbits/Man lose on Survivor, they have still won a victory that the Elves cannot: they will ultimately control the future of Middle-earth. Give Galadriel one triumph before she must diminish and sail into the West by allowing her to become the Survivor victor. ++PIPPIN __________________ People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect. But actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff.

10-10-2005, 12:21 PM	#3
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	I was about to defend Galadriel. Then I remembered that in this perverse game, if you defend someone they get evicted within a couple of days. Sooo... We return to the elementary question; what makes the best Reality Telly? ((This post-modern approach is so ironic. Half us probably haven't seen a single episode of Big Brother, Survivor, or that ilk...I must confess to having watched the former once. I was disgusted to see them picking on an unfortunate, ah, lass called Kitten)) First, we have Merry and Pippin. Their chirpy humour went down well at first, but really it's running thin now, especially as the tabloids have exposed Pippin's faked university CV and Merry's past as a pot-dealer. Pippin is a whining child of privilege and Merry is just so flipping responsible, while being self-effacing and lost-looking. Depressing showing. Voters' favourites to go. Then we have Hama. Unpopular beaverish beard hides chummy, matey behaviour and dogged loyalty, but not much else. Aragorn's gone so he can't deyfy anyone, and Eomer's gone so he can't obey anyone. He's a rebel/doorkeeper without a cause. Then Gimli. Actually makes pretty funny jokes, and is a most efficient worker, but is getting disillusioned, crabby, violent and whenever possible drunk. Still definitely worth keeping around. And Galadriel. A gift to the screen. A gift to the viewers. Makes interaction electric. All the boys are dying to serve her. Throw her off and they'll be listless and purposeless. Keep her on...and the duels and excitement will continue. Remember people said evicting Grishnakh would stop arguments and take down ratings? Well, Galadriel is a much more powerful version of this situation. Come on, people. Killing Orcs is one thing, straightforward military bragging, like some interminable game of rugby in the Welsh drizzle. But really captivating arguments are the ones that rend the side of good, whether it be the Elves over the Silmarils, the Free Peoples over the rings, or the Elves, Lakemen and Dwarves over Smaug's hoard. This gets even better when Romance is involved. Love triangles. Daeron-Luthien-Beren. Arwen-Aragorn-Eowyn. Aragorn-Eowyn-Faramir. And Galadriel has had many lovers, all in vain. Feanor, Celebrimbor, Gimli. Gimli who is still here. Give that up, and you're really not a judge of good television. __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

10-10-2005, 12:36 PM	#5
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Depends what you want out of your television shows. Personally, I prefer simple, harmless fun to watching some old Elvish bint well past her sell-by date trying desperately to flaunt her stuff for the cameras. She's so transparent. It's clear that she's just in the show to try and get a modelling contract. Whereas Merry and, especially Pippin, have a great future in light entertainment. All hail the next (little) Ant and Dec. ++ GALADRIEL __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

10-10-2005, 12:38 PM	#7
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	Yes but also good television would dictate that the victor should be a surprise. If Galadriel makes it to the final it's almost certain that she will win. How wonderful would it be if instead of Galadriel or a member of the fellowship we had Hama as our champion. I didn't think that Galadriel would get any support for eviction today but she is behind on her rent payments --Pippin ++Galadriel __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

10-10-2005, 12:35 PM	#4
arcticstorm Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Johnson Bible College: Knoxville, TN Posts: 464	--Pippin ++Merry

10-10-2005, 12:40 PM	#8
arcticstorm Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Johnson Bible College: Knoxville, TN Posts: 464	--Merry++Galadriel

10-10-2005, 01:19 PM	#10
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Wait, Lalaith! Someone slip me a harp...I want to join you as Elrond... Or should I stay behind and fight the good fight as Celeborn? Should I stay or should I go? (Not so pop culture unaware after all, eh, eh, you may say...) You, voters, decide. Strive on beside me and expel Pippin. He's nothing better than a Gollum from a better background... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

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