LOTR Survivor

[The Saucepan Man]

Excellent. Saucie has fallen into an elephant trap.

If a trap it be, it is one that I have gladly walked into with my eyes fully open. It's the least that I can do to defend the gallant little Hobbit. I can hardly stand by and let him go undefended while the baying mob calls for his blood.

The cold-blooded satirist ...

You are too kind. But you honour me with far too much credit here. I have merely played my part, as have all others who have voted.

... the one who goes on about Survivor having to be good telly ...

Guilty as charged. Pippin makes good telly.

... the one who, when necessary, claims that LOTR itself is a pack of lies ...

It is a curious fact that, as regards the adventures of Merry and Pippin, the Red Book is suprisingly accurate.

Really, Anguirel, I never realised that I had so much influence. As you offer it to me, and since it seems to have irked you so, I will gladly take the credit for bringing down all those frauds. The sad truth, however, is that I have little influence here. Those who wield the influence in this thread do so in much more devious and murky ways than I, using devices that I would not stoop so low as to use.

But hear this. All that I have ever done has been in the interests of keeping the show interesting and the tribes equally distributed. See, I am even prepared to sacrifice a Hobbit to further this aim.

Pippin is clearly going to-Day, whatever happens. But the symbolic nature of your re-vote for him is noted, Ang. It does you no credit.

Pippin spent the War of the Ring at home regularly attempting to murder his father...

*Turns other cheek*

[Lalaith]

*claps excitedly*

Ang vs Saucie! Give them their own programme! Much better even than Survivor...

[the guy who be short]

++Galadriel

Come on people. She's evil. And ruined the last round. And occasionally green. And rebellious. And evil. Gee, I could go on for years...

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by the guy who be short

++Galadriel

Come on people. She's evil. And ruined the last round. And occasionally green. And rebellious. And evil. Gee, I could go on for years...

I already did.

++Galadriel

[Boromir88]

You know what...tgwbs is right! Galadriel is evil. If it wasn't for her telling Boromir she wanted the Ring, he wouldn't have gone after Frodo. She killed me, that temptress!

++Galadriel

[Celuien]

Galadriel is most certainly not evil! Let's review the evidence against her...

Boromir88 states that she was responsible for his counterpart's demise. Entirely untrue. Galadriel only showed what the members of the Fellowship already had in their minds, although they might not have consciously been aware of it yet. Any insight she gave Boromir into his hidden desires saved the Quest. What if his desire for the Ring had come to the surface in Mordor? Disaster. It was only because the confrontation took place early that Frodo was able to escape with the Ring and fulfill his mission.

Yes, Galadriel has her faults. But she was able to conquer her faults through wisdom - wisdom earned through hardship and the pain of knowing that all of her works would come to nothing in the end. Yet she did not despair or yield to her temptation to take the Ring. Rather, she chose to reject the Shadow though she doomed her own realm along with it.

Have pity on Galadriel, last of the Elves on the island! The future of Middle-earth has been given to mortals. To the Elves is granted only memory of the past and a longing for the greatness that might have been had Arda not been marred by Morgoth. Even if the Hobbits/Man lose on Survivor, they have still won a victory that the Elves cannot: they will ultimately control the future of Middle-earth. Give Galadriel one triumph before she must diminish and sail into the West by allowing her to become the Survivor victor.

++PIPPIN

[Anguirel]

I was about to defend Galadriel.

Then I remembered that in this perverse game, if you defend someone they get evicted within a couple of days.

Sooo...

We return to the elementary question; what makes the best Reality Telly?

((This post-modern approach is so ironic. Half us probably haven't seen a single episode of Big Brother, Survivor, or that ilk...I must confess to having watched the former once. I was disgusted to see them picking on an unfortunate, ah, lass called Kitten))

First, we have Merry and Pippin. Their chirpy humour went down well at first, but really it's running thin now, especially as the tabloids have exposed Pippin's faked university CV and Merry's past as a pot-dealer. Pippin is a whining child of privilege and Merry is just so flipping responsible, while being self-effacing and lost-looking. Depressing showing. Voters' favourites to go.

Then we have Hama. Unpopular beaverish beard hides chummy, matey behaviour and dogged loyalty, but not much else. Aragorn's gone so he can't deyfy anyone, and Eomer's gone so he can't obey anyone. He's a rebel/doorkeeper without a cause.

Then Gimli. Actually makes pretty funny jokes, and is a most efficient worker, but is getting disillusioned, crabby, violent and whenever possible drunk. Still definitely worth keeping around.

And Galadriel. A gift to the screen. A gift to the viewers. Makes interaction electric. All the boys are dying to serve her. Throw her off and they'll be listless and purposeless. Keep her on...and the duels and excitement will continue.

Remember people said evicting Grishnakh would stop arguments and take down ratings? Well, Galadriel is a much more powerful version of this situation. Come on, people. Killing Orcs is one thing, straightforward military bragging, like some interminable game of rugby in the Welsh drizzle. But really captivating arguments are the ones that rend the side of good, whether it be the Elves over the Silmarils, the Free Peoples over the rings, or the Elves, Lakemen and Dwarves over Smaug's hoard. This gets even better when Romance is involved. Love triangles. Daeron-Luthien-Beren. Arwen-Aragorn-Eowyn. Aragorn-Eowyn-Faramir.

And Galadriel has had many lovers, all in vain. Feanor, Celebrimbor, Gimli.

Gimli who is still here.

Give that up, and you're really not a judge of good television.

[arcticstorm]

--Pippin
++Merry

[The Saucepan Man]

Depends what you want out of your television shows.

Personally, I prefer simple, harmless fun to watching some old Elvish bint well past her sell-by date trying desperately to flaunt her stuff for the cameras. She's so transparent. It's clear that she's just in the show to try and get a modelling contract. Whereas Merry and, especially Pippin, have a great future in light entertainment. All hail the next (little) Ant and Dec.

++ GALADRIEL

[Celuien]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

I was about to defend Galadriel.

Then I remembered that in this perverse game, if you defend someone they get evicted within a couple of days.

That's part of the reason (in addition to my stupid 80 hour a week work schedule) that I've been keeping a low profile. But I couldn't stand back and watch the Lady being maligned so cruelly. I only hope that she'll make it to the final round. One more day after this, if I'm not mistaken?

[mormegil]

Yes but also good television would dictate that the victor should be a surprise. If Galadriel makes it to the final it's almost certain that she will win. How wonderful would it be if instead of Galadriel or a member of the fellowship we had Hama as our champion. I didn't think that Galadriel would get any support for eviction today but she is behind on her rent payments

--Pippin
++Galadriel