Red Flows the Sirannon Planning/Discussion Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Firefoot · 10-06-2005, 08:01 PM

Grimkul's pretty intent on leaving army life forever - someone better stop him, quick!

Durelin · 10-07-2005, 03:12 PM

Sorry everyone. But here I am.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pio

What do you want the Dwarves to be doing at this point?

We're pretty much down to the grand battle, aren't we? Shall we be plunging into that soon?

First I will answer your second question. We're plunging into the battle as soon as everyone's ready. My post says that the army is preparing to attack before dawn, and I have set it as late evening in Eregion. As long as this does not ruin plans of the Orcs or anyone else, this will stay, and we will be starting the battle as soon as possible.

As to the Dwarves...is it settled that the Dwarves will be the 'double too late' rescue party, that frees up the Elves enough to make a retreat? Or is that perhaps too complicated? It could become quite messy, with two different rescue parties. It could also work quite well, though. I'd like the Dwarves to continue having full reign over what they do, so please let me know what you think.

EDIT: Looking at the timeline of events again, I realize that the Dwarves 'rescue' is definitely after Ost-in-edhil is already in ruins. So, here's a possiblity: After Ost-in-edhil has been destroyed, those who have escaped will hide in the small surrounding woodlands, and Maegisil will start to take a bit of command, gathering the survivors up as best he can, hopefully with the help of Narisiel, Cainenyo, and anyone else. The Lindon and Lorien Elves, and the Dwarves, would continue fighting to drive back Sauron's forces. Then our Eregion survivors could be picked up.

What does everyone think?

Perhaps for the Dwarves could have King Durin III asking of his people whether or not they should help the Elves against Sauron...or something of that nature...

piosenniel · 10-07-2005, 04:27 PM

The Dwarves have 2 things to accomplish as far as what Tolkien wrote.

1.) Celeborn and a party of Lorien Elves need to get to where Elrond's army is. Celeborn and Elrond should make a joint stab at attacking the invading troops but they will be pushed back even as Ost-in-Edhil falls. I thought that Celeborn and his warriors would come through the mines - hateful as that might be to Celeborn (Dwarves disgust him because some of them slew Thingol for the Nauglamir). The Dwarves will see him safe to where Elrond is.

2.) Then the only thing left is for the Dwarves to attack Sauron's army from the rear as they push back Elrond and Celeborn's troops. They draw off much of the attack against Elrond and he and Celeborn, I suppose, are able to start their retreat toward what will be Rivendell.

If some of the Dwarves stay to fight with Elrond and Celeborn's troops - they won't be able to re-enter the West gate - it will have been firmly closed against Sauron's armies as the main body of Dwarves retreats and draws off the Orcs and such.

They'd have to retreat with Elrond and make their way back to Khazad-dum by the East Gate.

Do the other Dwarves want to do this?

Riv will want to go back to Khazad-dum to stay near his wife and children.

What about Skald and Bror - what do Folwren and Arry see them doing?

Arry · 10-07-2005, 04:35 PM

I'm not sure . . . Folwren what do you see Bror doing?

Folwren · 10-07-2005, 04:42 PM

Well, that's hard to say. Will, at that point in time, everyone see that it's a lost cause and all they can do is retreat?

If that's the case...I think that the sensible thing would be to retreat to Khazad-dum. The Dwarves really have nothing further to do. Nothing else holds them. They don't have any reasons or obligations, so to speak, to stay and fight for the elves any longer.

So, I can see Bror going back. But, then, he being still young and reckless and perhaps wanting to fight more against the orcs, he decides to stay. I really don't know. Does the decision have to made just yet?

I'm going to go off and see what's been posted since my last bit of writing...assuming that something new has happened.

-- Folwren

Child of the 7th Age · 10-09-2005, 12:22 AM

Save filled. The baddies are having a little fun of their own while waiting for the good guys to get things together. Encaitare and Firefox - the ball is in your camp.

Cami

Encaitare · 10-09-2005, 12:27 AM

Thanks for the heads-up, Child. I'm about to go to bed, so I'll fill in my save in the morning.

10-06-2005, 08:01 PM	#1
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Time to shake things up a bit in the baddies' camp... Grimkul's pretty intent on leaving army life forever - someone better stop him, quick!

10-07-2005, 04:27 PM	#3
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	The Dwarves have 2 things to accomplish as far as what Tolkien wrote. 1.) Celeborn and a party of Lorien Elves need to get to where Elrond's army is. Celeborn and Elrond should make a joint stab at attacking the invading troops but they will be pushed back even as Ost-in-Edhil falls. I thought that Celeborn and his warriors would come through the mines - hateful as that might be to Celeborn (Dwarves disgust him because some of them slew Thingol for the Nauglamir). The Dwarves will see him safe to where Elrond is. 2.) Then the only thing left is for the Dwarves to attack Sauron's army from the rear as they push back Elrond and Celeborn's troops. They draw off much of the attack against Elrond and he and Celeborn, I suppose, are able to start their retreat toward what will be Rivendell. If some of the Dwarves stay to fight with Elrond and Celeborn's troops - they won't be able to re-enter the West gate - it will have been firmly closed against Sauron's armies as the main body of Dwarves retreats and draws off the Orcs and such. They'd have to retreat with Elrond and make their way back to Khazad-dum by the East Gate. Do the other Dwarves want to do this? Riv will want to go back to Khazad-dum to stay near his wife and children. What about Skald and Bror - what do Folwren and Arry see them doing? __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

10-07-2005, 04:35 PM	#4
Arry Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 704	I'm not sure . . . Folwren what do you see Bror doing? __________________ If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world – J.R.R. Tolkien

10-07-2005, 04:42 PM	#5
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	Well, that's hard to say. Will, at that point in time, everyone see that it's a lost cause and all they can do is retreat? If that's the case...I think that the sensible thing would be to retreat to Khazad-dum. The Dwarves really have nothing further to do. Nothing else holds them. They don't have any reasons or obligations, so to speak, to stay and fight for the elves any longer. So, I can see Bror going back. But, then, he being still young and reckless and perhaps wanting to fight more against the orcs, he decides to stay. I really don't know. Does the decision have to made just yet? I'm going to go off and see what's been posted since my last bit of writing...assuming that something new has happened. -- Folwren __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

10-09-2005, 12:22 AM	#6
Child of the 7th Age Spirit of the Lonely Star Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 5,133	Save filled. The baddies are having a little fun of their own while waiting for the good guys to get things together. Encaitare and Firefox - the ball is in your camp. Cami __________________ Multitasking women are never too busy to vote.

10-09-2005, 12:27 AM	#7
Encaitare Bittersweet Symphony Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise Posts: 1,814	Thanks for the heads-up, Child. I'm about to go to bed, so I'll fill in my save in the morning.

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