LOTR Survivor

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

I'd still say that you're overrating his intelligence. Relative to what we see of Orcs, it's high, but he was outwitted by Pippin, after all, the fool of a Took himself...and wouldn't last a second with Galadriel...

That's only because of his upbringing. Now given the proper set of circumstances and education in his youth, I feel that Grishnakh would have been counted among the wise. But that's the most tragic part of the orc hierarchy, they denied education to all but the most elite upper echilon. It's simply heartbreaking to think of what he could have become had he not been oppressed.

[Anguirel]

Originally Posted by mormegil

But that's the most tragic part of the orc hierarchy, they denied education to all but the most elite upper echilon.

Grishnakh is the most elite upper echelon, a messenger from Lugburz who knows about the Ring, obviously of importance. But he's still tricked by a pygmy with a British public school accent and a nice smile...

[Formendacil]

My vote is already cast, but clearly it can be shown that Grishnakh, if not quite the best of the lot here, is certainly a good deal more intelligent, and even more noble, than many of his fellows on the island.

Note that Grishnakh was searching for the Ring, TO TAKE TO HIS MASTER. Grishnakh is only guilty here of service as selfless as that of Samwise Gamgee, the father of all goody-goodies. Really, it's no wonder you heartless misers voted Sam off the island.

Furthermore, take note of the fact that Grishnakh is smart. He is wise enough not to take on Ugluk, wise enough to side his orks with his, in spite of personal conflict, when mutual danger threatens. He is certainly a lot better informed, and has a much better idea what is carried by a halfling.

Furthermore, Grishnakh is clearly highly trusted by Barad-dur if he is being entrusted with such dangerous missions as retrieving the Ring. His loyalty and intelligence are clearly implicated.

And if loyalty and intelligence are what gets people voted off the island, then why on earth is Grima gone?

[Anguirel]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

He is certainly a lot better informed, and has a much better idea what is carried by a halfling.

Does he? His grand ideas ultimately lead to certain hairy footed ones running rings around him...

He has access to information, but is too much of a dolt to recognise that his victims are exploiting his knowledge. No, I'd say even Ugluk has superior brainpower to this chap...

[Boromir88]

Votings closed, expect Lobelia's departure.

[Boromir88]

Alas, the end of anyone with atleast their partial name being Baggins is rid from the island. I guess Glorfindel got tired of getting hit with her broom. I think she liked him.

Dwarves/Elves:
Galadriel
Glorfindel
Gimli
Gloin

Orc/Ents/Hobbits:
Grishnakh
Quickbeam
Merry
Pippin

Men/Wizard:
Eomer
Eowyn
Hama

[WaynetheGoblin]

First to vote ++grisnak he is doing nothin around camp he is useless.

[Glirdan]

back to Grishnahk. It's time to get rid of hime. The stupid, ugly, kniving, theiving orc!!!

+grishnahk