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Cailín · 10-02-2005, 03:06 PM

So, currently tis

Saucepan - 2
Arcticstorm - 2
Perky - 2

Boromir88 - this is the second time you vote the same way as Eomer (though not literally). Are you sure you wish to be in league with a suicidal wolf?

Boromir88 · 10-02-2005, 03:11 PM

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Boromir88 - this is the second time you vote the same way as Eomer (though not literally). Are you sure you wish to be in league with a suicidal wolf?

Being a simple villager I don't know who's a wolf and who isn't. So, of course I'm always worried about who I'm siding with and who I'm suspecting, at any moment I may be wrong. As I said earlier I have no reason to suspect Eomer as of yet, could be good, or could mean my own death, only time will tell.

Well, I must be off, supper time then I won't be back.

Azaelia of Willowbottom · 10-02-2005, 03:26 PM

Decisions, decisions. I think I will vote now. I believe that we should keep the number of suspects down as a way to make wolves nervous. So I'll vote for someone already on the table. The person on the voting list that I am least suspicious of is Perky, and it seems like people want to lynch him because of the information it would bring, and not because they are sure he is a wolf. It's just convenient that his death, innocent or not, would tell us something.

Sauce (due to his strong assertions and passionate argument against Eomer) and Arctic (because I think his reasoning is flawed) both send up red flags, but I think Saucy's red flag is a little redder.

++Sauce

because of that paradoxial part of WW: defend yourself and you look suspicious, but you can't just let yourself be lynched, either. It's the way he's going about defending himself that looks suspicious to me. I'm very sorry that I can't give any better explanation than that...it just sends up red flags to me.

edit: cross-posted with Marcolie and Boromir (that is, they posted while I was still working on my reply)

Cailín · 10-02-2005, 04:06 PM

This is strange. How did SpM get blamed for my attacks on Eomer? I don't believe, Azaelia, you have read everything quite thoroughly, either that or you're suddenly high on my suspect list. I can imagine why the wolves would find SpM a bigger threat than me, for I fully accept he is a generally more intelligent player than I am, but I cannot believe a villager would vote for him because of what I suggested today.

Be back soon with more...

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-02-2005, 04:17 PM

Interesting. As matters stand I get lynched, even if Perky or arcticstorm get another vote each.

I wondered, when I talked about Eomer putting me in a dangerous position by giving me the first vote of the Day, whether anyone would take the bait. It seems that the bait has been well and truly taken.

I rather tend to the idea that Eomer is not a Wolf. He just seems too guileless to me at the moment. If he was a Wolf, I would expect him to play much more intelligently, rather than putting himself well and truly in the firing line as and when I am proven innocent. And he just doesn't seem the type to volunteer for the sacrificial role out of a group of three Wolves.

But it is clear to me that either Boromir88 or Azaelia is a Wolf, for their subsequent votes for me. What an opportunity for the Wolves to rid themselves of one thorn in their side (me) while implicating another (Eomer). It's unlikely that both are, as that would be risky, but it's a possibility.

At the moment, my inclination is that, out of the two, Boro is the more likely Wolf. his vote for me came out of nowhere - he previously suggested that he tended to trust me - whereas Azaelia has at least expressed doubts about me previously.

I will save my vote, as I may have to save myself. And believe me that, although I am innocent, I will not hesitate to do so, as I believe that the village is better off with me alive. If I don't have to save myself, I will probably vote for Boromir88.

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-02-2005, 04:23 PM

Double posting because I had not read Azaelia's post properly.

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Originally Posted by Azaelia

Sauce (due to his strong assertions and passionate argument against Eomer)

Could you point me out where I have made any strong assertions or passionate arguments against Eomer to-Day, please? I might have had justification to do so, but I don't believe that I have sought strongly to argue his neck into the noose.

Azaelia and Boro now look equally suspicious to me.

arcticstorm · 10-02-2005, 04:28 PM

I am inclined to beleive that Saucepan is innocent, so I will try to seve him from the noose if I can, unless it condemns me.

Márcolië Lamen · 10-02-2005, 04:37 PM

Seeing as everyone seems to be saving votes to keep people alive, I'll make the vote that I had been debating over making for a while now and vote for
++Azaelia
suspicious especially after her voting for SpM, and another place to spread votes out too. She was much more suspicious than the three voted for so far to me at least anyways.

The Perky Ent · 10-02-2005, 04:40 PM

++Arcticstorm

Cailín · 10-02-2005, 04:46 PM

I will have to leave now and despite the fact that I still have doubts whether he's just a blundering innocent or not, I will vote for

++The Perky Ent

Hoping that articstorm at least will do the same. I just don't want SpM to die because of my hotheaded accusations.

If I do not survive the Night, I think you all know who to go after tomorrow (or am I creating a set-up here?).

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-02-2005, 04:53 PM

If I die to-Day or to-Night, I shall outline my pick for the three Wolves:

Perky - for the reasons outlined by many previously, most particularly his flaky vote for Gil and his inadequate explanation of it. And for his vote for arcticstorm. It would have been too obvious and too risky to vote for me. It just seems the most sensible Wolf vote at this stage in proceedings.

Azaelia - for posting relatively frequently but saying very little. And for voting for me, on very shaky grounds, and thereby trying to eliminate both me and Eomer from the game.

Marcolie - for her vote for Azaelia - a vote for a fellow Wolf at a stage where it is very unlikely that she will be lynched.

I might well be wrong. But I am convinced that either Boro or Azaelia is a Wolf, and its possible that both are. And I think that Perky may well be a Wolf, although I am by no means certain.

On that basis, given the current state of voting, I have no option but to vote for:

++The Perky Ent

I strongly believe that the village is better off with me alive, unless one of the other options is a gifted. If Perky dies and turns out to be gifted, then I will no doubt have a lot of explaining to do to-Morrow. But to-Morrow is another Day, and I somehow doubt that he's gifted.

Edit: Cross-posted with arcticstorm and Cailin. I might have voted differently had I seen their votes before voting myself. Oh well, what's done is done.

arcticstorm · 10-03-2005, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by arcticstorm

I am inclined to beleive that Saucepan is innocent, so I will try to seve him from the noose if I can, unless it condemns me.

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Originally Posted by Boromir

1) Arcticstorm- he tops my list today, as you will see in a post (probably tomorrow but maybe later tonight) arctic had no suspicion of Perky, even as went as far as saying he believed Perky probably wasn't a wolf, but still ended up voting for him.

Now with this, as my previous quote says, I was more inclined to beleive in Sauce's innocence than Perky's. At the time I thought that Saucepan would be more useful to the village than Perky, and so I tried to save him. Unfortunately this led to the lynching of our ranger. We have to be very careful, We only have two chances to catch a wolf before they kill us all.

Boromir88 · 10-03-2005, 06:35 PM

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I am less supicious of Perky right now because he seems too suspicious, like Formendacil yesterday.~arcticstorm post #120

And I said...

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I also agree with this.~post #125

And my main reason for not voting for him.

Which you go further on to say in the post I quoted you on above...

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Right now everyone is suspecting him and he needs an advocate, even if it is not that good of one. Even if he is guilty, what the village needs is to look at everyone through all lenses

and...

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They will not beleading the attack on perky, but they will join in, and not near the end either, somewhere in the middle if that is where it ends up.

Which you joined in, though it was towards the end, but as you say "a wolf wouldn't join towards the end, but in the middle..."

And since I think arctic is possibly a wolf, I wouldn't doubt if we had a Sauce-arctic duo, who seem to be connected, yet not in a strong way. Arctic says, if Perky's a wolf he wants to write off Sauce (with a few other names-I think Wilwa and morm, though I think he might have just tried to throw them in there) as an innocent.

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Just an idea but how about we lynch who ever we think the Wolves might have chosen last night? I know we can't really know that since we don't know who the wolves are, but its just an idea.~Wilwa

Not a bad idea, our situation is becoming desperate, this may be of some help.

Edit: I got the suspects, but just debating if I want to save it for tomorrow, I might as well do it now.

10-02-2005, 03:26 PM	#3
Azaelia of Willowbottom Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: By the Sea Posts: 446	Decisions, decisions. I think I will vote now. I believe that we should keep the number of suspects down as a way to make wolves nervous. So I'll vote for someone already on the table. The person on the voting list that I am least suspicious of is Perky, and it seems like people want to lynch him because of the information it would bring, and not because they are sure he is a wolf. It's just convenient that his death, innocent or not, would tell us something. Sauce (due to his strong assertions and passionate argument against Eomer) and Arctic (because I think his reasoning is flawed) both send up red flags, but I think Saucy's red flag is a little redder. ++Sauce because of that paradoxial part of WW: defend yourself and you look suspicious, but you can't just let yourself be lynched, either. It's the way he's going about defending himself that looks suspicious to me. I'm very sorry that I can't give any better explanation than that...it just sends up red flags to me. edit: cross-posted with Marcolie and Boromir (that is, they posted while I was still working on my reply) __________________ "Wherever I have been, I am back." Last edited by Azaelia of Willowbottom; 10-02-2005 at 03:28 PM. Reason: Cross-posting

10-02-2005, 04:17 PM	#5
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Interesting. As matters stand I get lynched, even if Perky or arcticstorm get another vote each. I wondered, when I talked about Eomer putting me in a dangerous position by giving me the first vote of the Day, whether anyone would take the bait. It seems that the bait has been well and truly taken. I rather tend to the idea that Eomer is not a Wolf. He just seems too guileless to me at the moment. If he was a Wolf, I would expect him to play much more intelligently, rather than putting himself well and truly in the firing line as and when I am proven innocent. And he just doesn't seem the type to volunteer for the sacrificial role out of a group of three Wolves. But it is clear to me that either Boromir88 or Azaelia is a Wolf, for their subsequent votes for me. What an opportunity for the Wolves to rid themselves of one thorn in their side (me) while implicating another (Eomer). It's unlikely that both are, as that would be risky, but it's a possibility. At the moment, my inclination is that, out of the two, Boro is the more likely Wolf. his vote for me came out of nowhere - he previously suggested that he tended to trust me - whereas Azaelia has at least expressed doubts about me previously. I will save my vote, as I may have to save myself. And believe me that, although I am innocent, I will not hesitate to do so, as I believe that the village is better off with me alive. If I don't have to save myself, I will probably vote for Boromir88. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

10-02-2005, 04:37 PM	#8
Márcolië Lamen Wight Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Nwy, land of the llamas Posts: 109	Seeing as everyone seems to be saving votes to keep people alive, I'll make the vote that I had been debating over making for a while now and vote for ++Azaelia suspicious especially after her voting for SpM, and another place to spread votes out too. She was much more suspicious than the three voted for so far to me at least anyways. __________________ Here there be turtle-dragons Last edited by Márcolië Lamen; 10-02-2005 at 04:42 PM. Reason: fixing typo

10-02-2005, 04:40 PM	#9
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	++Arcticstorm __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

10-02-2005, 04:53 PM	#11
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	If I die to-Day or to-Night, I shall outline my pick for the three Wolves: Perky - for the reasons outlined by many previously, most particularly his flaky vote for Gil and his inadequate explanation of it. And for his vote for arcticstorm. It would have been too obvious and too risky to vote for me. It just seems the most sensible Wolf vote at this stage in proceedings. Azaelia - for posting relatively frequently but saying very little. And for voting for me, on very shaky grounds, and thereby trying to eliminate both me and Eomer from the game. Marcolie - for her vote for Azaelia - a vote for a fellow Wolf at a stage where it is very unlikely that she will be lynched. I might well be wrong. But I am convinced that either Boro or Azaelia is a Wolf, and its possible that both are. And I think that Perky may well be a Wolf, although I am by no means certain. On that basis, given the current state of voting, I have no option but to vote for: ++The Perky Ent I strongly believe that the village is better off with me alive, unless one of the other options is a gifted. If Perky dies and turns out to be gifted, then I will no doubt have a lot of explaining to do to-Morrow. But to-Morrow is another Day, and I somehow doubt that he's gifted. Edit: Cross-posted with arcticstorm and Cailin. I might have voted differently had I seen their votes before voting myself. Oh well, what's done is done. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

10-02-2005, 03:06 PM	#1
Cailín Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lurking in the shadows. Posts: 711	So, currently tis Saucepan - 2 Arcticstorm - 2 Perky - 2 Boromir88 - this is the second time you vote the same way as Eomer (though not literally). Are you sure you wish to be in league with a suicidal wolf?

10-02-2005, 04:06 PM	#4
Cailín Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lurking in the shadows. Posts: 711	This is strange. How did SpM get blamed for my attacks on Eomer? I don't believe, Azaelia, you have read everything quite thoroughly, either that or you're suddenly high on my suspect list. I can imagine why the wolves would find SpM a bigger threat than me, for I fully accept he is a generally more intelligent player than I am, but I cannot believe a villager would vote for him because of what I suggested today. Be back soon with more...

10-02-2005, 04:28 PM	#7
arcticstorm Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Johnson Bible College: Knoxville, TN Posts: 464	I am inclined to beleive that Saucepan is innocent, so I will try to seve him from the noose if I can, unless it condemns me.

10-02-2005, 04:46 PM	#10
Cailín Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lurking in the shadows. Posts: 711	I will have to leave now and despite the fact that I still have doubts whether he's just a blundering innocent or not, I will vote for ++The Perky Ent Hoping that articstorm at least will do the same. I just don't want SpM to die because of my hotheaded accusations. If I do not survive the Night, I think you all know who to go after tomorrow (or am I creating a set-up here?).

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