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Old 09-23-2005, 05:09 PM   #1
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Dawn with her rose-red fingers shone once more over Tinseltown. The villagers gathered in the village square to count their numbers.

"Where's Azaelia?" Said one.

It was true: Azaelia of Willowbottom was now a victim of the wolves. But where was her body?

The villagers searched every single building in Tinseltown, but still she could not be found.

Then one of them checked the port-a-potty on the edge of town. There she was, her dead corpse sitting on the toilet. The wolves were very cruel indeed to kill somebody and then prop up their body in such an undignified manner. But at least she was an ordinary villager, and not gifted.

The villagers once more returned to the town to continue their discussions.

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Living:

Anguirel

Boromir88
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant
Eonwe
Kitanna
Kuruharan
Lalaith
Márcolië Lamen
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Dead:
wilwarin538 (mod) - glued in pieces to a wall Night 1.
Cailin (ord) - lynched by villagers on Day 1
Glirdan (ord) - Also lynched by villagers on Day 1
The Perky Ent (seer) - eyes replaced by his own spices on Night 2
WaynetheGoblin(ord) - Coined by villagers on Day 2
Celuien(ord) - croked on Night 3
Gil-Galad(ord) - Fell of a roof top on Day 3
Azaelia of Willowbottom (ord) – Killed and placed on toilet on Night 4

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Villagers: 6
Werewolves: 3

Werewolves, stop PMing, and villagers, discuss!

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Old 09-23-2005, 07:06 PM   #2
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well, seeing as everyone is being so quite, i will try to break the ice. i prolly won't have much to say though.

well, this hasn't helped matters much. the two people i was relatively sure were innocent killed off in short order. hopefully gil's innocence will tell us something about wolves and such. hopefully...

like i said, i dont' really have much to say. im still pretty much unopinionated, except taht i don't trust anyone anymore and still find certain people still suspicious. i think it is interesting to note that the people (for the most part) that have been lynched have been peole that i couldn't really get anything on. (wayne, gil, Celuien, Glirdan, to name most).

please no one lead a "lynch eonwe cause he's unhelpful" campaigne. i dont' think unhelpfulness has proved a good lipmus test on past subjects. maybe we should look at those that are leading us in our efforts...

on a side note, i have to work all day tomarrow and won't have access to ye olde net, so i won't be here to defend myself.
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Old 09-23-2005, 09:30 PM   #3
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Eye here we go...

I say it's about time we caught a wolf.

I certainly don't know where one is, but I have some ideas that may help everyone sort out their ideas.

First- werewolf voting strategy.

It is always good to have at least one wolf vote for another wolf at some point.

Every team of wolves (that I can remember seeing) employs this strategy. It's a useful one. You can only use words to distance yourself so much- votes count for more, so it is always a good idea for a wolf to vote for another wolf at some point. It gives the appearance of innocence after the wolf is found. And the thing is, you can't pick the wolf out and say "He voted for her to distance himself!" because if a wolf gets lynched then that means several villagers also voted for the wolf, so you can't tell the wolf apart.

So, as I said in one of my posts a couple days ago, there are certain times when it is smarter to vote for another wolf.

Let's look at Day 2-
Everyone who voted for Gil, Wayne, and Celuien was not a wolf voting for a wolf because those suspects were proven innocent.

The only person who received a vote who was not killed was Kuru. However, the vote cast for him by Eonwe was not cast at a very good time- it was right at the beginning. That doesn't seem like a safe time for a wolf to be tossing a vote onto another wolf.

So, let's move on to Day 3-
Anguirel, Kitanna, Eonwe, and Kuru all received votes and have not yet been found to be innocent. So- let's take a look.

Ang's vote was from an innocent, not a wolf, so that leaves that vote out.

Eonwe, as he did the day before, voted for Kuru. He also did it at a time when there was no chance of Kuru getting lynched because there was only one person left who could vote (technically two, but Spawn was not likely).

Now, this would be a great time for a wolf-wolf vote, BUT- Eonwe also voted for Kuru the day before at a time that wasn't very smart for a wolf-wolf vote, so though I could be wrong, Eonwe-Kuru probably isn't a wolf-wolf vote (and if it was, congratulations for fooling me).

Now, what about the Marc vote for Kitanna? It was cast at the end when there was no chance of Kitanna getting lynched. In addition, Kuru had been declaring a Marc-Kitanna wolf duo, so perhaps he was right and Marc's vote was an attempt to say "No, you're wrong- see, I even voted for her!"

So, the Marc-Kitanna vote is a possible wolf-wolf. We might get a chance today to see if Marc is still willing to vote for Kitanna when she is in actual peril.

Then, there's the Ang vote for Eonwe. It was a pretty safe bet that Gil was going to be lynched yesterday, so an early vote was not really as risky as usual.

However, Anguirel has succeeded on getting on my good side with flattery during this game so his vote somehow doesn't look as suspicious to me.

But I suppose that the Ang-Eonwe vote might've been a wolf-wolf vote.

Now, what about Kitanna's vote for Kuru and Kuru's vote for Kitanna?

As I said already, Gil's lynching was a good bet so it was safer than usual to cast an early vote, and to actually have two wolves vote for each other is the ultimate way of seperating.

We will see if the two suddenly back off of each other as the day moves along.

Now, about Gil's lynching- it was inevitable and my head is clearer for it, so it wasn't the worst thing that could've happened. Can we learn anything from it? Perhaps.

Since his lynching was so likely, the wolves had a golden opportunity to vote for someone other than Gil, and thus "throw away" their vote (am I using the term right, Kuru? ). Do you think they did? If so, how many of them? It's not as if the village needed help to lynch Gil. He was on the chopping block from the beginning.

Then again, there is always the bluff option of doing the exact opposite of what is expected, so who really knows?

I can't believe how silent it is today. Is anyone there? It's not very helpful to sit back until the end and suddenly cast votes without having accusations or defenses first.

Let's get some theories and such going, people.
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Old 09-23-2005, 09:55 PM   #4
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I'm beginning to wonder why Boromir88, the phantom, and myself have all survived this long. For me, it is truly something of a puzzle because I'm innocent and the wolves know it. Why wouldn't they want to get rid of me? Is it because I've been wrong about everything? I've seriously suspected (at some point or other) practically everybody but Boromir88, so at some point I must have suspected somebody who is guilty. On the other hand, have I been spared because I am such a promiscuous suspector? Or is it because I've been on the right track the whole time and they are afraid of killing me because it would point back to them?

I can readily think of a reason why both Boromir88 and the phantom would both still be alive...perhaps it is time I begin seriously suspecting Boromir88.

Anyway, I recall saying something at some point that if Gil-Galad was innocent we'd want to take a look at Kitanna. Perhaps we should follow the phantom's suggestion and endeavor to put both Kitanna and Marc on the spot today. Of course, if he is a wolf then he is probably trying bump off two more innocents.

Unfortunately, I'm not going to be around much toDAY. I have bigwigs in the theater and faire business to hob-nob with. I'll try to check in again in the morning and will probably have to vote then.
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Old 09-23-2005, 11:06 PM   #5
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I'm beginning to wonder why Boromir88, the phantom, and myself have all survived this long.
I have wondered when someone would ask this.

Here is a good reason why we may have survived this long (I'm assuming all three of us are innocent for this hypothesis)-

We are good thinkers and likely to be followed, and since we have yet to catch a wolf we have obviously been leading people wrong. We have pretty good powers of deduction, but we can't use them very well until at least one wolf has been found, so why would the wolves overly fear our powers of deduction at this point?

Also, the three of us (especially you and I, Kuru) are extremely likely to turn on each other when we keep surviving night after night. The wolves figure it is bound to happen- sort of like it is with SPM and I.

In truth, I suspect that you or Boro would've killed me by now if you were wolves, and you two probably suspect that I would've killed you by now if I was a wolf, and yet we are still likely to take a good shot at each other when it gets down to the final day or two, just because... I don't know. I guess just because that's what we do.

The wolves probably bet on us doing this, and now even if we are on the right track they can't just up and kill us all in the night now- it would take three nights to do it. Plus, it would clue everyone in on the fact that they had decided to kill us after all, meaning that we were getting close to the truth.

In addition, they might be afraid that one of us is the Hunter and would make an accurate kill. That is a very strong reason for them not to kill us.

Where is everyone else, though?

Come on, guys- let's hear your thoughts.
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Old 09-24-2005, 12:25 AM   #6
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Well, we now have more proof that Azaelia was the Seer dream. I would say that this absolves the phantom from suspicion; I had been considering a phantom-azaelia wolf-pack should things have turned out differently tonight.

This means, Kuru, that I believe suspicion of him will be more sterile than ever. For now, I think we should listen, hear and obey...

Here's a new list.


Anguirel- I'm heartened to see no one really wants to hang me anymore. If I were you lot, though, I'd be rather suspicious that the wolves haven't killed me yet. But I can't help not being dead. Yet.

Boromir88-Something in Kuru's thesis, it must be said. This is the first day I've suspected him.

Dancing Spawn - implicated in the Gil-Galad fiasco. But can't help thinking she's too subtle to dirty her hands so obviously. Possible though.

Eonwe -has not proved his innocence one jot. Is still my highest suspect. Perhaps, perhaps, people will believe me today. That was no wolf-wolf vote-I'm after him, pure and simple.

Kitanna- Suspected by the phantom! She must be a wolf! Not implicated in Gil-Galad fiasco. Could be as wolfish as not.

Kuruharan-as he himself says, curious that he's still here. Is that a bit of double-bluffing? Still, some of what he says makes sense.

Lalaith- not much on her...inclined to trust her largely because...er...her name is pretty...

Márcolië Lamen-Possible, but as my ally I will not accuse her till we have some wolf-corpses elsewhere

the phantom- Cleared. Seriously, he's been right so far, and if he's a wolf he deserves the game...


That makes me highest triumvirate Eonwe, Boromir, and Kitanna...

Once again I will probably vote for Eonwe.
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Old 09-24-2005, 01:14 AM   #7
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I'm sorry this is so rushed but I'm in a terrible haste right now. I'm sorry to say this but Boromir looks rather suspicious to me right now.

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I think after today, if Gil is lynched than you should take into consideration what I said in this post by me...

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If he turns out to be a wolf, look at Kitanna, Marcolie, and Azaelia.

If he turns out to be innocent, look at Spawn.
This of course I AM basing off the votes from yesterday by those who voted to tie things up with Gil and Wayne, and those who jumped to try a Gil-galad bandwagon.
How is it better to be involved in Wayne bandwagon than Gil bandwagon?

Boromir is practically saying that Kitanna and Marcolie (his wolf fellows?) are innocent (theory proven by the death of Azaelia) and making me look guilty. I understand the suspicion but why to say it twice while he himself voted for an innocent?

I've had my suspicions about Marcolie and Kitanna before and here are some quotes that would support the theory of an alliance between Boromir, Kitanna & Marcolie All three aren't necessarily wolves. There might be two lycans in this trio who are just using the third one. [QUOTE=Boromir]Marcolie, I've found this alliance between Anguriel and Marcolie to be very disturbing. I think one is a wolf, the other is innocent.I doubt both are wolves because it would just be far to suspicious and leave them with no flexibility. I right now am more thinking Anguirel is the wolf because of the no voting from yesterday, and some more reasons I'll mention later. So, either Marcolie or Anguirel is a wolf who is trying to attach to an innocent, this "truce" gets me worried. I'm more inclined to believe Marcolie is the innocent one, but something I'll be watching.]
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Kitanna, not sure what to think of her yet. She's kind of gone passed my radar which gets me suspicious and I will certainly be taking a closer look at her, though right now I have more strongly held suspicions.
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Boromir88-Doesn't seem suspicious, if a wolf a talented one.
Kitanna- Very good at avoiding suspicion. I half need to cast suspision only for this carefulness.
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a little more suspicious, yet nothing really concrete or definite (#107) Kitanna, Lalaith, Celuien, Cailin, Azaelia, Marcolie
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Least suspicious so far (#166) Boromir88, Kitanna, Kuruharan
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Old 09-24-2005, 02:47 PM   #8
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Sorry about not replying yet today. And I have to go write a paper now. I really feel either Kitanna or Kuruharan is a wolf, but I'm not sure which. Kitanna is my most suspicious. If I wouldn't be able to come back on then I'd vote now for her. However, I'll at least be able to come to vote. Can't promise more though.
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Old 09-24-2005, 03:46 PM   #9
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I'm glad I didn't cast my vote earlier- it may be needed.

Marc, Boromir, Eonwe, and I still have to vote.

Since Boromir is one of the front-runners, he will no doubt allow Marc and Eonwe to go first to see who he needs to vote for to save his skin, whether he is a wolf or not.

If Marc and Eonwe both vote for Kuru, then Boromir wouldn't have to vote to save himself and my vote would have no impact.

If Marc picks Kuru and Eonwe goes with Boromir then Boro would have little choice but to vote for Kuru, which would leave me in a position where the only way my vote would matter is if I voted for Boromir to force a double lynching- which I'm not going to do. Once again, my vote wouldn't be of use.

But if Marc votes for Kitanna, then my vote will probably be the tie-breaker.

One possibility after a Marc-Kit vote would be an Eonwe-Kuru vote, in which case Boro could stick his vote on top and put Kuru out of reach, or he could vote for Kitanna, which would force me to be the deciding vote between Kuru and Kitanna.

Or Eonwe could vote for Boro, in which case Boro would choose either Kitanna or Kuru to tie with himself, and once again I would be forced to break the tie.

In tie situations, I would lynch Kitanna before Boro, and Boro before Kuru.

So- now that the remaining voters know precisely what choice I will make at the end should it come down to me, let us see which path Marc, Eonwe, and Boromir choose.
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Old 09-24-2005, 03:56 PM   #10
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This is a surprising change of events, one minute I'm village good guy next I'm wolf lynch me.

I guess I can't blame anyone, it's sorely gone wrong, and can't convince anyone of my inncocence, the best I could have done was give explanations as to what I mean and the way I act, but doesn't seem good enough for some people. My vote will be coming here.
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Old 09-24-2005, 04:04 PM   #11
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I just noticed this, by Eonwe-
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Does that mean he won't be here to vote?
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