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Old 09-20-2005, 03:24 PM   #1
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it is not nearly as clear cut as you make out. It is unfortunate and I wish it were otherwise, but I think it would be best for everyone if we could just agree that it is a cloudy point. Accepting Zali as a proven innocent is a dangerous mistake
If you say so.

Perky made lots of seerish statements, and when he mentioned Azalia he said he had an "INNER FEELING" about her innocence.

I am willing to take the leap of faith that Azalia is innocent. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong, but if I'm right then the village will benefit.

You see- if most people believe that she is proven, the wolves will want to kill her, BUT, the Ranger can protect her.

Now, the wolves will know that the Ranger can only protect someone every other night, but they won't know if the Ranger will choose to protect Azalia on the odd nights or even nights, which means they probably won't have the guts to try and kill her because they'll be afraid of wasting their nightly kill.

If you ask me, the possibility of the wolves missing out on a kill is worth a small leap of faith (and I do mean small). And if the wolves don't kill her, then we'll have a (likely) proven innocent hanging around until late in the game which will be helpful. Once again, that is worth a small leap of faith.

The seer brought up Glirdan for no reason and said he was hostile.

But, to my knowledge, the seer said nothing negative about Azalia. The only thing he said was that she was innocent because of an "inner feeling".

Please, reconsider this. Isn't that pretty compelling?

But I guess if you want to be skeptical of the only seer dream we have, then go right on ahead.

Vote for Azalia. Find out if I'm protecting a wolf.

I have very little doubt that after all of this is over Perky will tell us that his dream was of Azalia.
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Old 09-20-2005, 03:42 PM   #2
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Before I head off to eat, I'll cast my vote...

++Wayne

I've already given the reasons why.

Just for some info, votes are...

Gil-galad: 3 (himself, spawn, Celuien)

Wayne: 2 (phantom, Boromir88)

Celuien: 2 (Anguirel, Lalaith)

Kuru: 1 (Eonwe)

Edit: Cross posted with Lalaith. Adding Celuien with two votes.
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Old 09-20-2005, 03:51 PM   #3
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I’m not going to vote for Azaelia today. I never planned to vote for Azaelia today. I’ve said that from the beginning. And I would wonder about anybody else who wanted to vote for her now too. Why are you so eager to make it seem like that is what I want to do? A simple review of my posts will show that I said I didn’t want to vote for Azaelia.

My point was (and apparently I’ve been making it very badly) is that the case that Perky dreamed about her is not so strong. You may be willing to believe it, but I’m not a trusting person and I don’t like leaps of faith. I don’t think this is one I have to make. Especially since we can’t stage a Round hanging.

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Not in face of when the Seer was alone against the village in defending Glirdan. Sorry.

Anyway, this discussion is not really relevant today (as I’ve said a number of times). I’m much more concerned about this Wayne/Gil thing. I’ve finally put my finger on what makes me uncomfortable about this choice. They are basically the same guy. How does one choose between them? I think a different alternative would be better. Unfortunately, I don’t really know who to suggest. Nobody else seems as bothered by Lalaith as myself…

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you know Kuru, one of those posts where I actually wasn't saying anything at all
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Because you were parroting a lot of the things other people were already saying.
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Old 09-20-2005, 04:15 PM   #4
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I find it hard to cast a vote down for Gil. Yes his voting for himself is strange, but it doesn't always mean someone is a wolf. Maybe he really does want to get out of the game. Then again he could be trying to protect a fellow wolf who has fallen under a lot of suspcion.

I want to vote for Wayne, but unless someone else votes for either him or Gil then we could have another double lynching and if both are innocent again, well...need I say more?

Eonwe is also on my list, but I want to hear from him about his voting for Kuru before I vote for him.

As of right now I don't know where to put my vote. It could be diastrous if I vote for my main suspect Wayne and there's another double lynching. I don't know how much time is left, so I'll think for a few minutes and return with a vote.
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Old 09-20-2005, 04:18 PM   #5
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I was about to go and vote for Wayne, but I'm going to withold it for now for fear of people not voting and there being a double lynching. Hopefully I should be able to come back. This shouldn't be an issue. But all that aside, if someone wants to vote for Wayne but isn't because of double lynching, I will also vote making it go up (and I just set alarm for 6:45 so I won't miss voting )

Just sharing what I would do. Hopefully we won't have the voting issue like yesterday.
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Old 09-20-2005, 04:22 PM   #6
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By all means, whatever we do we have to avoid a double lynching. I'm almost inclined to vote for Gil-Galad, even though I'm not convinced he's a wolf, just to attempt to make sure we don't have another fiasco like DAY ONE.

(Of course, now there's probably going to be a massive rush to vote for Gil).
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Old 09-20-2005, 04:30 PM   #7
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When I went away for classes this afternoon I had no idea Wayne was going to get more then one vote. It had been my plan to vote for him, but now I'm worried if I do we may end up with another double lynch.

I feel inclined to vote for Eonwe, but my main reason to vote for him would be his own voting. But he hasn't had the chance to defend himself on his vote for Kuru yet. So I guess I'm going to have to hope that either Gil or Wayne gets another vote after mine.

++ Wayne

He gave no reason as to why he voted for Glirdan. Then he said we "needed to get a wolf or we'd be in trouble" but he said nothing about who he though might be a wolf. I asked him to better eplain himself and he was given all day, yet he failed to do so. (granted he had school, but he's made one vote since, there should have been time for a brief post) Now he is talking about Gil acting strangely when he is it that same boat.

EDIT: I understand the dangers in this vote should no one else vote for Wayne or Gil, espcially if there's a repeat of yesterday.
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Old 09-20-2005, 04:30 PM   #8
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Sincerest apologies again...I have returned from the depths of the village school and the black hole of work, and am here to post. I am glad that some people seem willing not to take my silence as a guarantee of guilt (thanks, Phantom!!)

Although being pointed out as possibly (and I agree with Phantom, that I *probably* was) a seer's dream is really no less dangerous a position. Who are the wolves going to kill next? A known innocent (namely me, if you subsrcibe to that theory, if I am not lynched before them).

I am very worried about Gil. I think he is innocent, but he is also apparantly in a very tough place in life right now, and I worry. Gil, don't ever give up. Please feel better.

I think I'll wait a little while longer on voting, just to see if either Gil or Wayne turn up again. I don't want another double lynching.
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Old 09-20-2005, 04:33 PM   #9
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I am sure Gil is a wolf.


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I just think my idea from before is right.
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Old 09-20-2005, 04:35 PM   #10
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Well, we seem to be lined up for it now. I'm wondering if I vote for Wayne now, then Márcolië votes for Wayne if that would put us over the hump.

It might be a good test of his sincerity too...
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Old 09-20-2005, 04:37 PM   #11
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Kitanna voted so I have a chance to vote who I want.

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