Red Flows the Sirannon Planning/Discussion Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Durelin · 09-14-2005, 04:12 PM

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I'm sorry to complain - your guys's posts have been awesome, well written, and everything - but Celebrimbor just seems too wimpy to me. I mean, sure, I know he's under a lot right now, but I don't think he's takinig it quite as well as he would have. But, then, I could be very wrong. I haven't read anything that Tolkein wrote about this history - I know nothing about Celibrimbor. But considering who he is, forger of the Rings, and master of the city and all that, I've a feeling he would have been stronger.

When faced with the circumstances such as they are, I think it's safe to say that no matter how strong Celebrimbor was in the past, the events concerning the Rings and the destruction of Eregion could easily have broken the strength of anyone, particularly the one who is in many ways the 'most responsible' for what happened.

Also, in my experimenting with Celebrimbor as a character (not my character, but Tolkien's character who I really have hijacked.... *shifty eye movement), I felt some innate desire to stay away from the more traditional elf-lord, who would act with perhaps more strength and better judgement than Celebrimbor. And in that sense, I see Celebrimbor's failure to see whatever Gil-galad saw in 'Annatar' as a sign that he is quite different...not necessarily weak, just different. And thus, his actions and how he receives the fact that his city is about to be destroyed are going to be different.

Those are just my feelings, though. This has all just been an interpretation of Celebrimbor's character.

-Durelin

EDIT: Hehe...cross-posted with Aman...

Folwren · 09-14-2005, 06:10 PM

Alright, that works for me. Your explanations make sense. It wasn’t terrible, or anything, you understand, just at some parts that how I perceived him. But it’s all good.

Hope I didn’t offend either of you at all in saying what I did.

- Folwren

Alcarillo · 09-14-2005, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Durelin

Alcarillo, Nurumaiel, Mithalwen, and Esgallhugwen (who I think we have definitely lost) - It has probably seemed like a boring and pointless game for you so far. I am sorry for that. But now the action begins in Eregion, so now is the time when we need all of your characters to add to the action and give us their various perspectives. And...it's just time to really have fun.

Boring and pointless! Absolutely not! And I have posted a save and I will get Cainenyo's point-of-view in tomorrow.

EDIT: or the next day. Be patient!

Mithalwen · 09-15-2005, 10:19 AM

I hope I haven't seemed bored

It is just that I chose a low key character as a contrast to my high powered one in Fall of the North since I was going to be an elf woman again so there is a limit to how many general background posts I felt I could make. I made Losrian, Narisiel's apprentice to give some interraction and I have a lot planned for when the battle proper starts (as I said before I created the extended family for a reason.....). Actually knowing it would be a slow start was a crucial factor in me joining this RPG since I knew I had other commitments.

Few posts shouldn't be taken as a lack of commitment in this case. I hope Esgallhugwen returns - I haven't seen much of her recently at all....

Nurumaiel · 09-15-2005, 10:52 AM

Durelin, don't think for an instant that you've bored me with this game! I'm not bored in the least. I've been reading along with the game and planning for my characters every spare moment. Time constraints keep me from posting more than I should like... certainly not boredom!

Don't even think of apologising, dearie. It's I who ought to apologise for being so inactive. I shall certainly try to post more often... I put up a post written on Sunday, and I have more yet to give.

Mithalwen · 09-15-2005, 11:25 AM

As for Celebrimbor ... I would say that it is often the case that people who are creative geniuses - and Celebrimbor was probably second only to his Grandfather in this respect - are often lacking in other areas and fail to see the potential for evil. Einstein, I am sure, was not motivated by the desire to kill the biggest number of people in the most time efficient way. I think Terry Pratchett's Leonard of Quirm is a very clever characterisation in this respect ...

Inventors often need less creative but more worldly wise associates to protect them from exploitation.

Gil Galad is a soldier a doer rather than a thinker - more inclined to suspect the worst... I think Celebrimbor was neither particularly weak nor stupid - just motivated by craft above all.

piosenniel · 09-15-2005, 01:46 PM

~*~ NOTICE ~*~

Let it be known that

Fordim Hedgethistle

known to those in the Shire as Master Hearpwine, and etc . . .
has now had his name engraved on the iron plaque that bears the list of the story-tellers of Gondor.

Huzzah!

Let all come to The Inn of the Seventh Star in Minas Tirith and raise a glass of cheer to Fordim.

** And for those wondering, drink and food are free on this occasion. And all are most welcome **

~*~

~*~

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Seriously, everyone is welcome to come to the Inn in Gondor, in whatever character you'd like.

Give a word of congrats to Fordim and knock back a drink or two. I'm there, playing darts . . . challenge, anyone? . . .

09-14-2005, 06:10 PM	#2
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	Alright, that works for me. Your explanations make sense. It wasn’t terrible, or anything, you understand, just at some parts that how I perceived him. But it’s all good. Hope I didn’t offend either of you at all in saying what I did. - Folwren __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

09-15-2005, 10:19 AM	#4
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,460	I hope I haven't seemed bored It is just that I chose a low key character as a contrast to my high powered one in Fall of the North since I was going to be an elf woman again so there is a limit to how many general background posts I felt I could make. I made Losrian, Narisiel's apprentice to give some interraction and I have a lot planned for when the battle proper starts (as I said before I created the extended family for a reason.....). Actually knowing it would be a slow start was a crucial factor in me joining this RPG since I knew I had other commitments. Few posts shouldn't be taken as a lack of commitment in this case. I hope Esgallhugwen returns - I haven't seen much of her recently at all.... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-15-2005, 10:52 AM	#5
Nurumaiel Vice of Twilight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: on a mountain Posts: 1,121	Durelin, don't think for an instant that you've bored me with this game! I'm not bored in the least. I've been reading along with the game and planning for my characters every spare moment. Time constraints keep me from posting more than I should like... certainly not boredom! Don't even think of apologising, dearie. It's I who ought to apologise for being so inactive. I shall certainly try to post more often... I put up a post written on Sunday, and I have more yet to give. __________________ In the fury of the moment I can see the Master's hand in every leaf that trembles, in every grain of sand.

09-15-2005, 11:25 AM	#6
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,460	As for Celebrimbor ... I would say that it is often the case that people who are creative geniuses - and Celebrimbor was probably second only to his Grandfather in this respect - are often lacking in other areas and fail to see the potential for evil. Einstein, I am sure, was not motivated by the desire to kill the biggest number of people in the most time efficient way. I think Terry Pratchett's Leonard of Quirm is a very clever characterisation in this respect ... Inventors often need less creative but more worldly wise associates to protect them from exploitation. Gil Galad is a soldier a doer rather than a thinker - more inclined to suspect the worst... I think Celebrimbor was neither particularly weak nor stupid - just motivated by craft above all. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-15-2005, 01:46 PM	#7
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	*~~ Sounds of cymbals and piping ~~* *~~ NOTICE ~~* Let it be known that Fordim Hedgethistle known to those in the Shire as Master Hearpwine, and etc . . . has now had his name engraved on the iron plaque that bears the list of the story-tellers of Gondor. Huzzah! Let all come to The Inn of the Seventh Star in Minas Tirith and raise a glass of cheer to Fordim. And for those wondering, drink and food are free on this occasion. And all are most welcome ~~ ~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Seriously, everyone is welcome to come to the Inn in Gondor, in whatever character you'd like. Give a word of congrats to Fordim and knock back a drink or two. I'm there, playing darts . . . challenge, anyone? . . . __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

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