Werewolf IX: the Saga Owns You and You Know It

[Kath]

No vote: Nilp, Gil, Durelin, Folwren

Oh now that's interesting. Nilp and Gil we know to be innocent but I have been suspicious of Durelin and Folwren for working together. Now I am not so sure. It seems likely that at least one wolf would vote for Gil. Of course, this is based on my assumption that Menel is a wolf. If he would just die so we could see either way it would make things a lot clearer!

Speaking of Menel:

Kath and Shelob, once again, have tried to get me lynched, and are still at the very top of my list. Again, one of them will probably receive my vote by the end of the Day.

So, you will be voting for one of us, because we are voting for you. Not particularly helpful to the village, just going after us as some kind of revenge.

Still, the lack of voting from Durelin and Folwren is odd. Argh! I am having such trouble with this, everything everyone does looks suspicious in some way. I have no 'known' innocents in my head except myself, just people I can't get a feel on and those I feel could be guilty.

No idea:
WaynetheGoblin - too confusing at the start and such a sudden change from being loud to being quiet. Missing votes and having no reasons for the votes he does make. It all points to a rookie wolf but I just can't see it.

wilwarin538 - I read her posts and get nothing, I don't suspect her but I can't exonerate her because she is too, almost ambiguous.

Cailín - has steadily become louder but as a first timer (?) this could just be her confidence naturally increasing so again, nothing on her.

Holbytlass - again I can't see her as suspicious, which is exactly why I shoudl suspect her I feel.

Could be guilty:
Folwren
Shelob
Meneltarmacil
Durelin

More when I've had a chance to think.

[Folwren]

Originally posted by Wilwarin:
Well the ranger can't protect the same person twice. The ranger probably protected Nilp the first day we knew he was the shirriff and couldn't protect him again. He/she probably tried his/her best, we can't get angry at the only gifted left who can help us.

I had no idea she couldn't protect the same person twice. My apologize.

By Kath:
Argh! I am having such trouble with this, everything everyone does looks suspicious in some way. I have no 'known' innocents in my head except myself, just people I can't get a feel on and those I feel could be guilty.

Yes, I know how that is. That's who I was yesterday and one reason why I didn't vote the last time I was on. I wanted to think more on it, but by the time I'd thought and when I got back to the computer, I was too rushed to get on (our internet gives us problems and doesn't work quickly at all).

I have nothing more to say until other people talk.

-- Folwren

[Cailín]

First of all I apologize for my lack of posting today. First day at college tends to be a little stressful. I am shocked to find hardly anyone had said anything today yet. We're not giving up yet ^^

Anyway, I voiced my worries last night about Gil's lynching when I noticed how many people 'sort of' felt Gil was suspicious, without emphasizing it too much. I feared the day would end like this. Wolves won't really start a lynch-an-innocent campaign right now, but they were definitely happy to go along with it.

No vote from Folwren again? This is starting to worry me a little. Surely an innocent would not be afraid to cast his or her vote well before the deadline? Folwren is online a lot, actively posting, but still he seems to be unable to make actual decisions. He also has my suspicions up for contradicting himself quite a few times in this game now.

I still mistrust Shelob for reasons I stated before. Because of that I cannot really believe Menel's guilty, though I could be wrong. One of them has to be a wolf at least. I'm boldly willing to vote for either one today. As long as a majority of innocents feel somewhat alike, we might have a chance.

Wilwa I don't really trust either. If you look at her voting behavior - she has voted for known innocents all the time and I found her vote for Gil yesterday particularly suspicious. She said she did not feel comfortable bandwagoning - but she did and did before. Like Kath, I don't find any solid evidence in her posts, but I can't feel good about her either.

I think Holby might be innocent. Durelin I really don't know.

Kath is a problem. She seems to trust me a little and because of that I feel more inclined to trust her. But that's not really a good thing, I suppose. Right now, purely on intuition, I don't think she is a wolf. She has been too strong about her own opinions and keeps insisting to get Menel lynched. Strangely enough, she's the only one in the game who has not voted for a known innocent before. Very good cover, or innocent indeed. Besides, she is about the only one here who still talks.

Come on, my fellow villagers. The wolves are slowly establishing a majority and we need áll your votes and voices.

Cailín - has steadily become louder but as a first timer (?) this could just be her confidence naturally increasing so again, nothing on her.

Indeed, I am a first timer.

Edit: cross-posted with Holby (yup, this post took me that long). She seems to share some of my worries concerning Folwren.

[Shelob]

Today has not been a good posting day, I would have thought for me alone but then we've so little. . A warning though, from that, I will have to vote early today, like Cailin I'm begining college today (unlike her it's just one class, and voluntary on top of all my senior work).

As to what has been said, a simple thanks first to Holby for the voting record. It saves me time and this far into the game the voting has got to tell us something. Though it doesn't seem to tell us much.

I would draw though, the self same conclusion that those spoken few have. The Record looks ill for Fowlren.

To Durelin, who with little reason sits like a foggish blight upon my mind, I see no clear and crystal reason to suspect him. Though his silence unexplained does vex me over much.

Wayne, beyond his silence and seemingly light grasp on where we stand (I do post, as was kindly pointed out) my sole reason for suspecting him is ill-feeling. From day one something did not sit well about him and we have shrugged it off, giving Wayne the benefit of being new. I begin to feel that doing such has cost us greatly.

Holby and Wilwa, these two I can find nothing against. They are helpful. I see no reason to really suspect either but at this point should probably be looking closer.

To Kath, she has voted in a way most simple, For Menel. Little can be gleaned from that, though all else she has posted has seemed a help for us.

Cailin, I suspect Cailin. It comes as I have before stated from a fear she has slipped herself into an un-lynchable position. I admit this is most likely newness giving way to expreience, but for her and Wayne both we give them this excuse and thus ignore them. Newness does not, indeed should not, be synonymous to innocence, it does not follow.

Menel, as before he stood so stands he now. I do not trust him. However, given evidence and dire need I shall not vote for him again unless we shall this problem solve for once and ever more.

For myself, what more can I say. You suspect me for following one who made good points, and for adding my points to hers. If that is reason to be lynched than lynch me, people who accuse for that and nothing more deserve the state to which it brings them.


I think strongly, more so than I have before, that we are neither being guided nor manipulated by wolfish plots. I suspect that we have been left to lynch ourselves, with perhaps one wolf giving hints to keep us all in line. From that I would Wayne and Durelin suspect, and since there is little reason not to I think I shall. I will not write all others off my list, nor abandon all suspicions previously held, but from now 'til I again have computer access I shall with that leave you. Hoping for more voice to given be, and that those still silent we may have chance to see.


(Sorry about the way it's written, I just got out of Shakespeare class and that always has a somewhat detrimental affect upon my speech.)

[Kath]

As of now we have only not heard from Wayne and Durelin, unfortunately they are two of the people I feel somewhat suspicious of and so I would prefer to leave any further analysis until I've seen some posts from then. However, what with Wayne's record of appearing simply to list his suspicions (with no reasons) and vote there is little point in waiting for him. In fact this may point to his wolvishness in a purely technical way, if he is online only close to Night rather than through the Day.

Now, I want to lynch a wolf today, but I cannot see how we can be sure of doing that. We all suspect different people and for different reasons, and of course everyone claims to be innocent. My only idea would be for everyone to put who they think is the most suspicious in order, and then for everyone to vote for the person who is most suspected by the most people (if that made any sense). That way, even if the person we lynch is innocent (I sincerely hope not or we are in serious trouble) we can see something from these lists. The problem there would be that the wolves could simply copy the list from an innocent and agree to sacrifice one of their own if need be to hide themselves.

I don't really feel that little plan will work but I thought I'd put it out there just to see how people would react to it.

As of now my main suspect is still Menel, but he is very closely followed by Folwren, and if there are enough people that want to vote for Folwren and few that want to vote for Menel, I will (reluctantly) change my vote so that we can ensure the death of someone we truly feel to be guilty.

As I see it now, people's plans for lynching go as follows:
Folwren - Wayne or Holby
Shelob - Folwren or Cailin
Holbytlass - Folwren
Meneltarmacil - Kath or Shelob
Kath - Menel or Folwren
Cailín - Menel or Shelob

I don't know about wilwarin538, Durelin or WaynetheGoblin yet as they have given no indication of who they will vote for. But that list suggests there there would be more chance of a group vote for Folwren than for Menel, so if the votes do pan out that way you can rely on mine to be for Folwren. I realise that this sounds like bandwaggoning and abandoning my principles but we have to get a wolf toDay or there is practically no chance of us winning.

So far it seems that the wolves have attacked those who were loud, possibly not because they were close in their suspect lists, but because they were listened to by the village. the phantom, SpM, TGWBS and Nilp are all loud people and were all killed by the wolves, and that seems like more than a coincidence to me. If the wolves continue in the vein I would expect either myself, Cailin or Holby to be killed by them tonight. I am possibly least likely to die as quite a few people are suspicious of me but if either Cailin or Holby doesn't die I could become suspicious of them where at the moment I am not.

Anyway, right now my suspect list goes:
Menel
Folwren
WaynetheGoblin
Durelin - with position subject to change depending on her post

[Meneltarmacil]

I too feel it is important that we kill a Wolf toDay. If we cannot, our situation will become even worse and we'll have dug this hole so deep that getting out is next to impossible. Though I do suspect Kath and Shelob more than the others, I am wiiling to let them live if it means we actually do get rid of a Wolf. I will also consider voting for Folwren, as I have noticed (as I mentioned a while back) some rather wolfish behavior from him/her (I still don't know if you're a guy or a girl, Folwren) myself.

[wilwarin538]

As I stated yesterday I am suspicious of Folwren so I will probably be voting for her. Won't do that now, but I will later. I have homework so that's all I can say.

[WaynetheGoblin]

I am also suspicious of folwern. I also will probely vote for her but I have to do something so I will vote later.

[Cailín]

Folwren is an acceptable choice for me too - though I did not feel suspicious of him (or is it her?) till today. I also am sort of wary we might be repeating what went wrong yesterday - everyone being slightly suspicious of someone and with just a little push on the side of the wolves, again, an innocent was dead at our hands.

Cailin, I suspect Cailin. It comes as I have before stated from a fear she has slipped herself into an un-lynchable position. I admit this is most likely newness giving way to expreience, but for her and Wayne both we give them this excuse and thus ignore them. Newness does not, indeed should not, be synonymous to innocence, it does not follow.

I completely agree and I admit that's why I overlooked Folwren at first as well - his behavior and mine seemed kind of similar. Gradually, though, we adjusted in different ways and he in a way that seemed strange and suspicious to me.
I overlook Wayne because I think - this sounds harsh - if he has had nothing intelligent to say during day, how could he during nights? I don't think that is fair but I'm also unwilling to risk a life of someone whose death would tell us nothing - and Wayne's would not.
I'd be happy to be unlynchable, but I fear I'm not.

Shelob - too bad we don't trust each other. Especially if you are, indeed, innocent as you claim.

but if either Cailin or Holby doesn't die I could become suspicious of them where at the moment I am not.

Dang, if the wolves don't kill me tonight, I will be on tomorrow's lynching list? How is that fair?

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I'll be back later, hopefully Durelin has posted something by then.

edit: crossposted with wilwa and wayne. Not so sure about Folwren anymore.

[Holbytlass]

Originally Posted by Folwren

TGWBS was killed last night by the wolves...why? I didn't read all of Day 1's talking because I have little time to do so, so I don't know what all he said. But TGWBS is smart and observant, and if the wolves are smart, too, they'll knock down all the intelligent people.

Stating the wolf-strategy?

Originally Posted by Folwren

Could you please explain to me why killing TGWBS would set up Alca?

Originally Posted by SpM

Because the only trail that TGWBS did leave points towards Alcarillo. You yourself have accused Alcarillo on the basis of TGWBS‘s death. If Alcarillo is innocent, the Wolves would have known that TGWBS‘s death would lead to such accusations against him and make him (rather than a Wolf) a likely candidate for lynching to-Day.

Originally Posted by Folwren

I can't say I agree that to kill TGWBS was an attempt to frame Alcarillo, though many others have mentioned this. (And you'll laugh at me when it's made clear that Alcarillo is one of my main suspects because of his death.)

Folwren claims to not understand the set-up to Alca but uses it for his suspicions of Alca.

Originally Posted by Morm

Quote:Originally Posted by Folwren
Looky here, man, if it turns out that they are not in league with one another, and they are both innocent villagers, or, better yet, one or both of them is gifted, you've just possibly given ground for people to suspect you.

They are indeed both very smart, and possibly very dangerous for the side that they oppose...but I have not found anything in either of their posts to be doubtful of. It is possible that one is a wolf or bear, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that both are.

- Folwren

That was a rather vehement defense for somebody other than yourself.

I think Folwren is trying to get on with Morm, to hang with an innocent.

Originally Posted by Kath

As I recall very few people have been suspicious of Folwren so it seems odd for her to give a defence just out of the blue like that.

I agree, Folwren seems over the top when a person he votes for is found to be innocent, wants understanding and then cries 'wolf' whenever anybody else has voted for someone who turns out to be innocent.

Folwren's voting record isn't all that great either!
Day1- no vote (but says he doesn't understand why wolf's would vote for Bergil, now wouldn't that imly those who voted Bergil are not wolves)
Day2-votes Alcarillo (innocent)
Day3-the infamous vote that put 2 people on the block (one innocent, one lucky to be the bear)
Day4- no vote again (again cries 'wolf' to those who voted Gil, when he knew him to be innocent)

Originally Posted by Folwren

sorry that I wasn’t here last night. I figured that it was going to be Gil-Galad or myself that was lynched last night. It’s a sorry sight indeed when one finds that his guess is correct. I knew well that Gil-Galad was innocent, and I think that the people who voted for him new it, too. There was at least one wolf who helped hang him, and I think there were two.

Weird that Folwren wasn't here when he thought himself to be lynched. What I think is, since Folwren knew Gil to be innocent, he didn't try to save him by at least voting.

Originally Posted by Folwren

s today are Wayne and Holby. Wayne for his blatant and obvious attacking on Gil for no reason other than his silence, a thing which he himself is quite guilty of, and Holby for her incessant, dumb reasoning for the people who she suspects and who she doesn’t suspect.

I do laugh at this, it may be true my reasoning is dumb, but manners dictate that one doesn't say it out loud. Or use a synonym or innuendo, 'unhelpful' unfounded' 'nreasoning'etc...

To sum up why I Folwren is now at the top of my suspect list....
poor voting record
overly defensive
overly offensive (in manners and pointing fingers)