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Arry · 09-08-2005, 12:53 AM

Pio

Can you put this up just before your post? Skald is enjoying Bror's dilemma.

-- Arry

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PLACED ON GAME

Skald was in two minds about this trap that Bror had set. It was elaborate, ingenious, even. A worthy response, indeed, from the baby brother. It had only taken him fifty years or so to bring the art of practical joking to this new pinnacle.

And best of all, to Skald’s way of thinking, it had rebounded on Bror in a way much better than any revenge Skald might come up with. The silly git had neglected the first rule of practical joking – make sure the target you aim for will be the one you hit. He chuckled quietly as he fussed about with the web of cords that entangled his older brother. Riv, for his part, was red in the face, his eyes narrowed dangerously, as he twirled like some great last leaf of autumn on its spindly stem.

‘Who do you think taught me the art of playing tricks on someone?’ came the muffled question from Skald as he fished about for the right rope to cut. He’d turned his head back for a moment to see who’d crept into the room behind him. ‘You are dead, little brother, so-oo-oo dead!’

He reached up with his knife and began to saw on a likely looking cord . . .

piosenniel · 09-08-2005, 02:21 AM

Arry

Have placed your post and followed it with one of my own in response.

Folwren

Unna, I think will counsel her husband to be more mature than either Bror or Skald. But once he's healed up a bit, I think you both had better watch your backs!

~*~ Pio

Folwren · 09-12-2005, 11:01 AM

Pio

Here's the post to go after Riv's offer of truce. I hope it is good enough.

Still working on the other post.

- Folwren

------------------------

POST PLACED ON GAME ~*~ Pio

‘That sounds good,’ Bror said, looking up for the first time since Riv arrived. ‘At least I won’t have to worry about it for a while.’ He looked with a deal of chagrin at Riv. His older brother was composed, but something in his face told Bror that he was still in some pain. The white bandage and cast around his shoulder made him wince and he looked back down at his half eaten breakfast. ‘I ought to be going. Jollin will be expecting me soon.’ He pushed back his chair and got up slowly, as though he were tired from his rather exciting night. He paused with his hand on the back of his chair and looked again at Riv. ‘I’m sorry, Riv,’ he finally said. ‘It wouldn’t have happened like it had it gone my way.’ A small smile came to Riv’s face.

‘No, I dare say it didn’t happen like you wanted it. I would have much rather have seen Skald up there than myself. But, ah well, it can’t be helped. Until later, little brother.’

Bror turned and went out. His spirit lifted and he actually smiled again.

‘You actually got out of there unscathed,’ he murmured to himself, turning his feet in the direction of work. ‘But it won’t last like that for too long, don’t expect it to,’ he added quickly. ‘Until Riv is better and Unna is her old sunny self.’ He smiled even broader. ‘By that time, I may have been able to invent something not quite so dangerous, but as equally fun! Every Dwarf for himself, he said. That joins him in the game.’

But then a voice from the other side of his head replied. ‘That meant you, Bror,’ it said. ‘He’s not going to show the least amount of kindness when it comes to luring you into some sort of trap. You can expect something rather uncomfortable.’

However that may be, Bror could feel no worry about it at the time being. There were many weeks between now and when Riv said the white flags would come down and until then, Bror put it out of his mind.

Folwren · 09-13-2005, 06:23 PM

Arry and Pio

My post is written. If anything needs changing, tell me and I’ll do so.

I’ve left a lot of the evening open. In fact, most of the fun is still before whoever wishes to write it. I didn’t do much with the dancing, however I started it. You, Arry, seem mighty interested in the subject, so I figured you might like to write about it. You know more than I do concerning it. I love dancing, to be sure, but haven’t done much research on the matter as you appear to have done.

– Folwren

Durelin · 09-14-2005, 03:17 PM

Everyone in the city will soon know that there is an army of at least 20,000 waiting to pulverize them all. They will tell everyone that they should evacuate the city to outlying lands in the West.

This is where the action in Eregion starts picking up. Those who can fight or refuse to leave the city (well, or both) can stick around and prepare for the worst. Others can evacuate...perhaps someone is going to try and make this organized, as Celebrimbor is incapable of doing so himself? Maybe someone will get together as many people as they can find, or everyone they know and get out with them? Most likely everyone will gravitate to a certain area to the West of the city, gathering in the woodlands.

Alcarillo, Nurumaiel, Mithalwen, and Esgallhugwen (who I think we have definitely lost) - It has probably seemed like a boring and pointless game for you so far. I am sorry for that. But now the action begins in Eregion, so now is the time when we need all of your characters to add to the action and give us their various perspectives. And...it's just time to really have fun.

Arestevana and Seth Cotton - It's been a while since we've heard from Seth, and less since we've heard from Arestevana, but I hope you're both still able to play. The fighting is going to begin soon, and we need someone representing our Lorien cohort.

Pio, Arry, and Folwren - Keep doing your own thing.

Encaitare, Kath, and Firefoot - You keep doing your own thing, too...you'll get action soon enough, I promise.

Evinyatar and Orofaniel - The Lindon forces are of course still unable to reach Eregion very soon. When you do, though, be prepared for chaos...

Speaking of chaos...I think my entire post was a prime example of that.

Thanks everyone for making this game so awesome!

-Durelin

Folwren · 09-14-2005, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Durelin:
Pio, Arry, and Folwren - Keep doing your own thing.

lol! Yes, we do seem to be having fun doing our own thing, don't we?

And directed mostly towards Durelin and Aman:

I'm sorry to complain - your guys's posts have been awesome, well written, and everything - but Celebrimbor just seems too wimpy to me. I mean, sure, I know he's under a lot right now, but I don't think he's takinig it quite as well as he would have. But, then, I could be very wrong. I haven't read anything that Tolkein wrote about this history - I know nothing about Celibrimbor. But considering who he is, forger of the Rings, and master of the city and all that, I've a feeling he would have been stronger.

Just my thoughts. Otherwise, your posts are great, and I love both your characters.

- Folwren

Amanaduial the archer · 09-14-2005, 04:08 PM

Fair enough. Everyone is entitled to have their own opinion. If they must.

Like you, Folwren, I haven't really read any of the histories, and what little I have read (which consists entirely of the Silmarillion - yup, that's it) I must admit, I don't remember in great detail, so Tolkien's version of Celebrimbor is pretty much a closed book to me. However, as far as I am aware, that particular character is not really described in so much detail as far as his feelings are concerned - which is a good thing, as it gives the RPGers a rather freer rein as to how he is played. He isn't my character, certainly, and even Durelin has said that she wouldn't exactly claim him as her own, her main character being Maegisil, obviously - and this allows us yet more freedom. In a game, it's all about perception, I suppose - there are rules that govern us, rules about Canon, rules about RPG etiquette towards other players and their characters...but when they don't apply, as in this case, it may kind of come to being a first-come, first-served basis: this is how Durelin and I have chosen to percieve him.

That having been said, I actually don't consider Celebrimbor to be 'wimpy' as you put it; remember, in these posts, he is with his closest advisors, so he is more likely to show his true feelings rather than simply acting as a leader; these are the few people who he can be more...free with. And faced with twenty thousand orcs at short notice, wouldn't you be maybe a little despairing? And besides, to an extent, we are going on what is written about Celebrimbor: he knew about the danger the rings were going to cause for over a century, and he did nothing. Does this really imply a strong and decisive leader? I actually really liked Durelin/Maegisil's way of phrasing it: "You spent one hundred years wallowing in self-pity."

And yes, it is a different take on a historical Tolkien character - but there are strong leaders a-plenty, and this seemed a rather interesting, not to mention rather fitting, twist to the character. And it is a take that I am rather enjoying playing with, really.

Durelin · 09-14-2005, 04:12 PM

Quote:

I'm sorry to complain - your guys's posts have been awesome, well written, and everything - but Celebrimbor just seems too wimpy to me. I mean, sure, I know he's under a lot right now, but I don't think he's takinig it quite as well as he would have. But, then, I could be very wrong. I haven't read anything that Tolkein wrote about this history - I know nothing about Celibrimbor. But considering who he is, forger of the Rings, and master of the city and all that, I've a feeling he would have been stronger.

When faced with the circumstances such as they are, I think it's safe to say that no matter how strong Celebrimbor was in the past, the events concerning the Rings and the destruction of Eregion could easily have broken the strength of anyone, particularly the one who is in many ways the 'most responsible' for what happened.

Also, in my experimenting with Celebrimbor as a character (not my character, but Tolkien's character who I really have hijacked.... *shifty eye movement), I felt some innate desire to stay away from the more traditional elf-lord, who would act with perhaps more strength and better judgement than Celebrimbor. And in that sense, I see Celebrimbor's failure to see whatever Gil-galad saw in 'Annatar' as a sign that he is quite different...not necessarily weak, just different. And thus, his actions and how he receives the fact that his city is about to be destroyed are going to be different.

Those are just my feelings, though. This has all just been an interpretation of Celebrimbor's character.

-Durelin

EDIT: Hehe...cross-posted with Aman...

Folwren · 09-14-2005, 06:10 PM

Alright, that works for me. Your explanations make sense. It wasn’t terrible, or anything, you understand, just at some parts that how I perceived him. But it’s all good.

Hope I didn’t offend either of you at all in saying what I did.

- Folwren

Alcarillo · 09-14-2005, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Durelin

Alcarillo, Nurumaiel, Mithalwen, and Esgallhugwen (who I think we have definitely lost) - It has probably seemed like a boring and pointless game for you so far. I am sorry for that. But now the action begins in Eregion, so now is the time when we need all of your characters to add to the action and give us their various perspectives. And...it's just time to really have fun.

Boring and pointless! Absolutely not! And I have posted a save and I will get Cainenyo's point-of-view in tomorrow.

EDIT: or the next day. Be patient!

Folwren · 09-16-2005, 08:20 AM

Save filled. Go ahead, Pio.

- Folwren

Durelin · 09-16-2005, 03:03 PM

Sorry, everyone. It has been a busy week, and I will be gone most of this weekend. I will get my post up, with Celebrimbor's announcement, very soon, to follow up Aman's wonderful post.

Just wanted to let you know before I ran away for a very long day.

piosenniel · 09-17-2005, 02:25 PM

Dwarves

The King has called for counsel about the events that have just occurred.

Feel free to offer up advice to him both as your own character and perhaps taking on the mantle of some of the other families gathered in the Hall.

Some Dwarves, I'm sure will want revenge, some will say 'leave the Elves to see to their own safety', some will want to play it safe, etc.

Let's hear a little of all those thoughts.

----------------

Elves

I've had a messenger from Celebrimbor killed, along with two of the Dwarves who attempted to save him, as he was bringing a request for aid to King Durin III.

---------------

Orcs and other baddies

I've had some of you kill an Elven messenger on his way to the Dwarves and two of the Dwarves who attempted to hold you off while the others escaped into the mountain. (firmly shutting the door against you, of course!)

I'm sure you can do something Orcishly foul to the fallen . . . if you wish . . .

~*~ Pio

Child of the 7th Age · 09-17-2005, 10:49 PM

I have also been out of town for several days with limited computer access but should be able to post again by Monday.

Folwren · 09-20-2005, 10:04 AM

I've posted yet another reply for the council of Dwarves, this time using Viss Stonecut. Hope I didn't cut in front of you, Pio, or anything in writing it...Arry's post from the Glitterfists got me so riled up, I couldn't sit still until I'd written a reply. (An hours late in getting to school...)

Anyhow, I had Viss work with the pride issue that Dwarves always seem to have. It always struck me that Dwarves couldn't stand being called names from outsiders, and this may stir them to some sort of action.

-- Folwren

piosenniel · 09-20-2005, 03:09 PM

That was great, Folwren. A little loud debate among the Dwarves is a good thing.

Now the King will poll his subjects and make his own decision on their course of action . . . after he or that is I return from work, that is . . .

~*~ Pio

09-08-2005, 12:53 AM	#1
Arry Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 704	Pio Can you put this up just before your post? Skald is enjoying Bror's dilemma. -- Arry ----------------------------- PLACED ON GAME Skald was in two minds about this trap that Bror had set. It was elaborate, ingenious, even. A worthy response, indeed, from the baby brother. It had only taken him fifty years or so to bring the art of practical joking to this new pinnacle. And best of all, to Skald’s way of thinking, it had rebounded on Bror in a way much better than any revenge Skald might come up with. The silly git had neglected the first rule of practical joking – make sure the target you aim for will be the one you hit. He chuckled quietly as he fussed about with the web of cords that entangled his older brother. Riv, for his part, was red in the face, his eyes narrowed dangerously, as he twirled like some great last leaf of autumn on its spindly stem. ‘Who do you think taught me the art of playing tricks on someone?’ came the muffled question from Skald as he fished about for the right rope to cut. He’d turned his head back for a moment to see who’d crept into the room behind him. ‘You are dead, little brother, so-oo-oo dead!’ He reached up with his knife and began to saw on a likely looking cord . . . __________________ If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world – J.R.R. Tolkien Last edited by piosenniel; 09-08-2005 at 09:57 AM.

09-08-2005, 02:21 AM	#2
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	Arry Have placed your post and followed it with one of my own in response. Folwren Unna, I think will counsel her husband to be more mature than either Bror or Skald. But once he's healed up a bit, I think you both had better watch your backs! ~*~ Pio __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

09-12-2005, 11:01 AM	#3
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	Pio Here's the post to go after Riv's offer of truce. I hope it is good enough. Still working on the other post. - Folwren ------------------------ *POST PLACED ON GAME ~~ Pio** ‘That sounds good,’ Bror said, looking up for the first time since Riv arrived. ‘At least I won’t have to worry about it for a while.’ He looked with a deal of chagrin at Riv. His older brother was composed, but something in his face told Bror that he was still in some pain. The white bandage and cast around his shoulder made him wince and he looked back down at his half eaten breakfast. ‘I ought to be going. Jollin will be expecting me soon.’ He pushed back his chair and got up slowly, as though he were tired from his rather exciting night. He paused with his hand on the back of his chair and looked again at Riv. ‘I’m sorry, Riv,’ he finally said. ‘It wouldn’t have happened like it had it gone my way.’ A small smile came to Riv’s face. ‘No, I dare say it didn’t happen like you wanted it. I would have much rather have seen Skald up there than myself. But, ah well, it can’t be helped. Until later, little brother.’ Bror turned and went out. His spirit lifted and he actually smiled again. ‘You actually got out of there unscathed,’ he murmured to himself, turning his feet in the direction of work. ‘But it won’t last like that for too long, don’t expect it to,’ he added quickly. ‘Until Riv is better and Unna is her old sunny self.’ He smiled even broader. ‘By that time, I may have been able to invent something not quite so dangerous, but as equally fun! Every Dwarf for himself, he said. That joins him in the game.’ But then a voice from the other side of his head replied. ‘That meant you, Bror,’ it said. ‘He’s not going to show the least amount of kindness when it comes to luring you into some sort of trap. You can expect something rather uncomfortable.’ However that may be, Bror could feel no worry about it at the time being. There were many weeks between now and when Riv said the white flags would come down and until then, Bror put it out of his mind. Last edited by Folwren; 09-14-2005 at 11:26 AM.

09-13-2005, 06:23 PM	#4
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	Arry and Pio My post is written. If anything needs changing, tell me and I’ll do so. I’ve left a lot of the evening open. In fact, most of the fun is still before whoever wishes to write it. I didn’t do much with the dancing, however I started it. You, Arry, seem mighty interested in the subject, so I figured you might like to write about it. You know more than I do concerning it. I love dancing, to be sure, but haven’t done much research on the matter as you appear to have done. – Folwren __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

09-14-2005, 04:08 PM	#7
Amanaduial the archer Shadow of Starlight Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: dancing among the ledgerlines... Posts: 2,347	Fair enough. Everyone is entitled to have their own opinion. If they must. Like you, Folwren, I haven't really read any of the histories, and what little I have read (which consists entirely of the Silmarillion - yup, that's it) I must admit, I don't remember in great detail, so Tolkien's version of Celebrimbor is pretty much a closed book to me. However, as far as I am aware, that particular character is not really described in so much detail as far as his feelings are concerned - which is a good thing, as it gives the RPGers a rather freer rein as to how he is played. He isn't my character, certainly, and even Durelin has said that she wouldn't exactly claim him as her own, her main character being Maegisil, obviously - and this allows us yet more freedom. In a game, it's all about perception, I suppose - there are rules that govern us, rules about Canon, rules about RPG etiquette towards other players and their characters...but when they don't apply, as in this case, it may kind of come to being a first-come, first-served basis: this is how Durelin and I have chosen to percieve him. That having been said, I actually don't consider Celebrimbor to be 'wimpy' as you put it; remember, in these posts, he is with his closest advisors, so he is more likely to show his true feelings rather than simply acting as a leader; these are the few people who he can be more...free with. And faced with twenty thousand orcs at short notice, wouldn't you be maybe a little despairing? And besides, to an extent, we are going on what is written about Celebrimbor: he knew about the danger the rings were going to cause for over a century, and he did nothing. Does this really imply a strong and decisive leader? I actually really liked Durelin/Maegisil's way of phrasing it: "You spent one hundred years wallowing in self-pity." And yes, it is a different take on a historical Tolkien character - but there are strong leaders a-plenty, and this seemed a rather interesting, not to mention rather fitting, twist to the character. And it is a take that I am rather enjoying playing with, really. __________________ I am what I was, a harmless little devil

09-14-2005, 03:17 PM	#5
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	Everyone in the city will soon know that there is an army of at least 20,000 waiting to pulverize them all. They will tell everyone that they should evacuate the city to outlying lands in the West. This is where the action in Eregion starts picking up. Those who can fight or refuse to leave the city (well, or both) can stick around and prepare for the worst. Others can evacuate...perhaps someone is going to try and make this organized, as Celebrimbor is incapable of doing so himself? Maybe someone will get together as many people as they can find, or everyone they know and get out with them? Most likely everyone will gravitate to a certain area to the West of the city, gathering in the woodlands. Alcarillo, Nurumaiel, Mithalwen, and Esgallhugwen (who I think we have definitely lost) - It has probably seemed like a boring and pointless game for you so far. I am sorry for that. But now the action begins in Eregion, so now is the time when we need all of your characters to add to the action and give us their various perspectives. And...it's just time to really have fun. Arestevana and Seth Cotton - It's been a while since we've heard from Seth, and less since we've heard from Arestevana, but I hope you're both still able to play. The fighting is going to begin soon, and we need someone representing our Lorien cohort. Pio, Arry, and Folwren - Keep doing your own thing. Encaitare, Kath, and Firefoot - You keep doing your own thing, too...you'll get action soon enough, I promise. Evinyatar and Orofaniel - The Lindon forces are of course still unable to reach Eregion very soon. When you do, though, be prepared for chaos... Speaking of chaos...I think my entire post was a prime example of that. Thanks everyone for making this game so awesome! -Durelin

09-14-2005, 06:10 PM	#9
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	Alright, that works for me. Your explanations make sense. It wasn’t terrible, or anything, you understand, just at some parts that how I perceived him. But it’s all good. Hope I didn’t offend either of you at all in saying what I did. - Folwren __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

09-16-2005, 08:20 AM	#11
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	Save filled. Go ahead, Pio. - Folwren __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

09-16-2005, 03:03 PM	#12
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	Sorry, everyone. It has been a busy week, and I will be gone most of this weekend. I will get my post up, with Celebrimbor's announcement, very soon, to follow up Aman's wonderful post. Just wanted to let you know before I ran away for a very long day.

09-17-2005, 02:25 PM	#13
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	Dwarves The King has called for counsel about the events that have just occurred. Feel free to offer up advice to him both as your own character and perhaps taking on the mantle of some of the other families gathered in the Hall. Some Dwarves, I'm sure will want revenge, some will say 'leave the Elves to see to their own safety', some will want to play it safe, etc. Let's hear a little of all those thoughts. ---------------- Elves I've had a messenger from Celebrimbor killed, along with two of the Dwarves who attempted to save him, as he was bringing a request for aid to King Durin III. --------------- Orcs and other baddies I've had some of you kill an Elven messenger on his way to the Dwarves and two of the Dwarves who attempted to hold you off while the others escaped into the mountain. (firmly shutting the door against you, of course!) I'm sure you can do something Orcishly foul to the fallen . . . if you wish . . . ~~ Pio __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside. Last edited by piosenniel; 09-17-2005 at 02:37 PM.*

09-17-2005, 10:49 PM	#14
Child of the 7th Age Spirit of the Lonely Star Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 5,133	I have also been out of town for several days with limited computer access but should be able to post again by Monday. __________________ Multitasking women are never too busy to vote.

09-20-2005, 10:04 AM	#15
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	I've posted yet another reply for the council of Dwarves, this time using Viss Stonecut. Hope I didn't cut in front of you, Pio, or anything in writing it...Arry's post from the Glitterfists got me so riled up, I couldn't sit still until I'd written a reply. (An hours late in getting to school...) Anyhow, I had Viss work with the pride issue that Dwarves always seem to have. It always struck me that Dwarves couldn't stand being called names from outsiders, and this may stir them to some sort of action. -- Folwren __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

09-20-2005, 03:09 PM	#16
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	That was great, Folwren. A little loud debate among the Dwarves is a good thing. Now the King will poll his subjects and make his own decision on their course of action . . . after he or that is I return from work, that is . . . ~*~ Pio __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

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