The Warg and Warg Rider Appreciation Thread

[Kath]

Thank you for the kind words Samwise and Eomer. It makes me feel a little better and gives me the hope I need to keep searching!

[arcticstorm]

I find it interesting how all over the downs I have seen debates on the nature of Gothmog, lieutenant of Morgul. Now after careful research into the topic, I can guarantee that he was, in fact, a warg. Through this research, I have come across numerous ancient documents describing his rise to power, and his fall from it, It is interesting to note that after his fall from power, he became second in command at Pellanor. He had been in charge of all the armies of Mordor before that time, and it was, in fact, his throwing his stakes in with the losing side of the all-to-common, inter-orc squables that took place in Barad-dur that caused his fall.

Two of the most prominent orc tribes in Mordor were invited to Barad-dur for a banquet of man-flesh and other cullinary delights, when a dispute arose among them. Many of the Nazgul, and even the future mouth of Sauron sided with one side, and gothmog sidede with the other. Needless to say with all the backstabbing that took placei n Sauron's court, they were able to hurt Gothmog's image, and ended up giving his position to the Witch King. But Gothmog still retained a lot of his authority.

In fatc,Sauron himself knew about the intelligence of this warg. and refused to demote him any farther than he had to to keep his other subjsects loyal, but still gave him a lot of authority. It is also a little known fact that PJ knew about this story when he made his movie. If you notice a lyena in the fight for Minis Tirith? This is actually Gothmog, not the pink orc-thing that many normally think is Gothmog. Actually that pink thing only served as Gothmogs mouth peice, much like the MoS did for Sauron.

[SamwiseGamgee]

Well, well, well, articstorm. That certainly is an interesting theory. I have done little research into Gothmog, but I must say I think your post may be the final answer to all the issues of all the scholars. I shall return and post as soon as I know more!

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

This makes so much sense. And on first impression, it appears to be yet another case of the Wargs being treated with naught but disdain by the authors of the Red Book.

See the painstaking description of the Nazgûl all throughout the book. Witness the bone-chilling introduction of the Mouth of Sauron at the Black Gate. Yet Gothmog is treated as an afterthought. How could this be the case were tradition correct and Gothmog was to be thought of as a Ringwraith or a Black Númenórean? It is still possible that Gothmog was an Orc, but I doubt this greatly. Gothmog was a Warg and once again we have to face this harsh reality: that Wargs are slowly but surely being eliminated from history.

It makes me crumple with despair; and boil with fury.

Great work arcticstorm!

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

This makes so much sense. And on first impression, it appears to be yet another case of the Wargs being treated with naught but disdain by the authors of the Red Book.

See the painstaking description of the Nazgûl all throughout the book. Witness the bone-chilling introduction of the Mouth of Sauron at the Black Gate. Yet Gothmog is treated as an afterthought. How could this be the case were tradition correct and Gothmog was to be thought of as a Ringwraith or a Black Númenórean? It is still possible that Gothmog was an Orc, but I doubt this greatly. Gothmog was a Warg and once again we have to face this harsh reality: that Wargs are slowly but surely being eliminated from history.

It makes me crumple with despair; and boil with fury.

Great work arcticstorm!

One has to wonder though...

Are all cases the work of the evil Anti-Warg group?

Could there not be some cases in which the Wargs themselves have suppressed the true history? After all, if Gothmog of Morgul really was a Warg, would the Wargs want this to be known? After all, there are enough people Warg-bashing without adding fuel to the fire. Perhaps the Wargs have themselves worked to hide Gothmog's true story. After all, Wargs are not tame creatures...

[SamwiseGamgee]

That is a possibility, Form. I myself have started a false rumour on a rival thread regarding Gothmog. Why, you may ask? Well, exactly as has been suggested: we are able to understand Wargs here at The Thread, but those Warg-bashers are just waiting to pounce. Pesky scum!

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

But such a magnificent captain and fearsome warrior is worthy of recognition, even if he did use his powers for evil. What do the True Wargs think of this?